[PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub on a Zodiac carrier was AW: Maynard's sub boat

Sat Aug 13 22:39:25 EDT 2016

Carsten, I too appreciated the recent pictures you posted of inflatables.
I had been thinking along these lines for my boat.  I like the idea of an
inflatable bra for my boat that is ship shape to prevent my bow from
generating a bow wave.  It would be interesting to know how much power you
would need to pull such an arrangement  into a planing mode.

Thanks for posting.

Cliff

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 8:41 PM, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles <
personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

> Thanks for the input / photos Tim and Carsten. No doubt that speed is
> improved when the sub's hull is out-of-water. ~ Douglas S.
>
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 6:21 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi James,
>> Look forward to a report and video
>> Good Luck!
>> Hank
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:43 AM, James Frankland via
>> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks Carsten.  Interesting idea.
>> I am diving today and there is one of those inflatable pontoon things on
>> a mooring at the harbour.  I'll try and get a picture if I remember.
>> Regards,
>> James
>>
>> On Friday, 12 August 2016, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <
>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thank's Carsten,
>> maybe a variation on that with separate rear pontoons that can
>> be inflated for boat ramp launching & deflated for on water dispatch
>> would be good. That worked for the wet sub but the whole inflatable
>> would have to sink to lift up a K250.
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" <personal_submersibles at psubs.
>> org>
>> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.
>> org>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2016 4:33 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub on a Zodiac carrier was AW: Maynard's
>> sub boat
>>
>> Last picture. I have also a towing video of 17MB were they run the sub
>> with over 20 knots on the zodiac. vbr Carsten
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original-Nachricht-----
>> Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub on a Zodiac carrier was AW: Maynard's
>> sub boat
>> Datum: 2016-08-12T07:15:20+0200
>> Von: "T Novak via Personal_Submersibles" <personal_submersibles at psubs.
>> org>
>> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" <personal_submersibles at psubs.
>> org>
>>
>>
>>
>> Similar thoughts attached.  Apparently the sub on the zodiac based
>> platform require less water depth to launch off the trailer than the sub
>> requires alone off the trailer.
>> Tim
>>
>> *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-
>> bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2016 7:39 PM
>> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.
>> org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub on a Zodiac carrier was AW: Maynard's
>> sub boat
>>
>> Doug,
>> I think the zodiac is a great idea, you will have to play with an easy
>> way to attach and detach.  You might want to consider a CT enclosure like
>> Emile has.  That should be easy enough to rig up on Snoopy.  The way a K250
>> is built is not ideal for big seas, but you have options.  As mentioned the
>> Clear CT enclosure, you could even look at a K350 style CT with a regular
>> hatch.  I would go with a small 18 inch hatch to keep it real light.  It
>> would be a piece of cake  to add a new removable  CT.  You could have it as
>> an option, depending on dive conditions.
>> Hank
>>
>> On Thursday, August 11, 2016 7:29 PM, Douglas Suhr via
>> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote:
>>
>> Prohibited weapons aside, yes I like the idea of going the zodiac route
>> for these reasons: cheap, simple and big bumper. Just not sure how well it
>> would work with a tall/tankish design like Snoopy's.
>>
>> Last April we took the Whaler out onto the Atlantic several miles out.
>> That boat is one of the sturdiest boats I've ever set foot on, but at 25
>> feet, it was getting tossed like a bathtub toy during a temper tantrum (it
>> was a two hands day), and the seas weren't bad that day by any means... 3
>> foot waves. I'm trying to picture doing anything in the ocean with a
>> support barge and I just can't... unless it were just flat calm. Point for
>> Zodiac design. Maybe two Zodiacs I-beamed together with the sub slung in
>> the middle? ~ Doug S.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 8:57 PM, TOM WHENT via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.
>> org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Sorry wrong email replied to.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: TOM WHENT via Personal_Submersibles <mailto:personal_submersibles@
>> psubs.org>
>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <mailto:personal_submersibles@
>> psubs.org>
>> Sent: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 18:55:23 -0600 (MDT)
>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub on a Zodiac carrier was AW: Maynard's
>> sub boat
>>
>>
>>  I was just reading the news article about the terrorist they shot
>> yesterday in Strathroy... It seems they caught him one already and released
>> him on a peace bond - one of the conditions of which was that he had to
>> surrender any firearms and prohibited weapons.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <mailto:personal_submersibles@
>> psubs.org>
>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <mailto:personal_submersibles@
>> psubs.org>
>> Sent: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 17:43:10 -0600 (MDT)
>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub on a Zodiac carrier was AW: Maynard's
>> sub boat
>> Hi Doug,
>> Are you thinking about taking the bottom out of a zodiac and driving the
>> sub into it.  That is way better than a barge in my mind.  You get the
>> benefit of flotation as well as a big ass bumper.
>> I had a crane on a barge and that worked well in the lake but in ocean
>> swells, that barge would beat a sub to death.  I used a long sling on the
>> hook so that the sub did not come in contact with steel bouncing around.
>> But lakes are very tame in comparison.
>> Hank
>>
>> On Thursday, August 11, 2016 4:10 PM, Douglas Suhr via
>> Personal_Submersibles <mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thwarted again by the 250's height! I really like this kind of
>> arrangement for it's simplicity though. And I think as far as keeping it
>> small, this might be the best way to manage launch and recovery in a rough
>> sea state. ~ Doug
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <mailto:personal_submersibles@
>> psubs.org> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, came through Carsten.
>> That's an interesting variation of what I've been suggesting.
>> I was looking at a K250 on a trailer; and they are fairly deep,
>> which would make it hard to design something like this to work
>> successfully.
>> It might start Cliff thinking, his sub would work well with a similar
>> design.
>> Alan
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" <mailto:personal_submersibles@
>> psubs.org>
>> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion <mailto:personal_submersibles@
>> psubs.org>
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 12, 2016 7:39 AM
>> *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub on a Zodiac carrier was AW: Maynard's sub
>> boat
>>
>> First picture. (testfile if the size work on these Psuns mails)
>>
>> vbr Carsten
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original-Nachricht-----
>> Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Maynard's sub boat
>> Datum: 2016-08-10T17:11:58+0200
>> Von: "James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles" <mailto:personal_submersibles@
>> psubs.org>
>> An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <mailto:personal_submersibles@
>> psubs.org>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi carsten,
>>
>> It would be great if you could find a picture.  Sounds interesting.
>>
>> Regards
>> James
>>
>> On 10 August 2016 at 11:47, MerlinSub at t-online.de via
>> Personal_Submersibles <mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org> wrote:
>>
>> I have done such a concept for SOVI (Shark Observer vecicle) in South
>> Africa.
>> Was a semi flooding towing RIB behind a Motorboot with over 20 knots
>> towing speed.
>> Will search for a picture.
>>
>> vbr Carsten
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original-Nachricht-----
>> Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Maynard's sub boat
>> Datum: 2016-08-10T06:05:53+0200
>> Von: "Alan James via Personal_Submersibles" <mailto:personal_submersibles@
>> psubs.org>
>> An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <mailto:personal_submersibles@
>> psubs.org>
>>
>>
>>
>> This was a concept I was thinking about a while back.
>> Excuse the sketch.
>> The idea is to have a boat with twin outboards, & a consul up front.
>> You raise the motors & pump enough water into the side pontoons to be
>> able to drive the sub in & out. Maybe some assistance with a winch
>> when returning would be required. If the unit was designed properly
>> with a floor that could take the weight of the sub, then you could trailer
>> both simultaneously. Alan
>>
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>> *From:* k6fee via Personal_Submersibles <mailto:personal_submersibles@
>> psubs.org>
>> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion <mailto:personal_submersibles@
>> psubs.org>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2016 2:12 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Maynard's sub boat
>>
>> Hey, a sub on a sub!! I like it! �
>>
>> Keith T
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles <mailto:personal_submersibles@
>> psubs.org>
>> Date: 8/9/16 6:56 PM (GMT-08:00)
>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <mailto:personal_submersibles@
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>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Maynard's sub boat
>>
>> You mean like this Brian,
>> http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/ technology/subs/pisces/pisces-
>> training.html
>> <http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/technology/subs/pisces/pisces-training.html>
>> I was trying to describe this in an earlier post.
>> Alan
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On 10/08/2016, at 12:50 pm, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <mailto:personal_submersibles@
>> psubs.org> wrote:
>>
>> Seems like there ought to be a way to have another submersible platform
>> which cradles the K boat, then submerge to the bottom leaving the "carrier
>> boat" sitting on the bottom until ur ready to go back home, then link back
>> up with the carrier boat and surface.   The carrier boat would need to be
>> big enough to travel on the surface and keep the conning tower well above
>> the surface to avoid flooding.  Of course many challenges with something
>> like that.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>>
>> --- mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org wrote:al
>>
>> From: Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles <mailto:personal_submersibles@
>> psubs.org>
>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <mailto:personal_submersibles@
>> psubs.org>
>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Maynard's sub boat
>> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 20:15:00 -0400
>> Thanks for the history Vance, did not know. ~ Doug S.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 7:25 PM, via Personal_Submersibles <mailto:personal_submersibles@
>> psubs.org> wrote:
>>
>> I sent a response via phone and haven't seen it. To repeat: I do have
>> some of George's original drawings on his tender. Web's was a takeoff on
>> that design and not terribly successful due to poor load carrying capacity
>> and so on. It worked, but was pretty restricted in what it could do.
>> George's was better, hands down. 44' long as I recall. It started life with
>> China diesels which were achingly slow, and ended up with a couple of
>> junkyard 250 cid Chevy in-line 6 truck engines that worked very well. And
>> were cheap, which was an important consideration for ANY consideration for
>> the Captain.
>> Vance
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles <mailto:personal_submersibles@
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>> To: personal_submersibles <mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org>
>> Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2016 5:13 pm
>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Maynard's sub boat
>> Did Maynard ever produce/release plans for his sub carrier, Tender
>> Nellie? I never saw it in person, but pictures lives on the net.
>> http://johnmaynard.tripod.com/ sub2.html
>> <http://johnmaynard.tripod.com/sub2.html>
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