[PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub on a Zodiac carrier was AW: Maynard's sub boat

Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Sat Aug 13 21:41:28 EDT 2016 

Thanks for the input / photos Tim and Carsten. No doubt that speed is
improved when the sub's hull is out-of-water. ~ Douglas S.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 6:21 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <
personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

> Hi James,
> Look forward to a report and video
> Good Luck!
> Hank
>
>
> On Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:43 AM, James Frankland via
> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Carsten.  Interesting idea.
> I am diving today and there is one of those inflatable pontoon things on a
> mooring at the harbour.  I'll try and get a picture if I remember.
> Regards,
> James
>
> On Friday, 12 August 2016, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>
> Thank's Carsten,
> maybe a variation on that with separate rear pontoons that can
> be inflated for boat ramp launching & deflated for on water dispatch
> would be good. That worked for the wet sub but the whole inflatable
> would have to sink to lift up a K250.
> Alan
>
>
>
>
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> *From:* "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" <personal_submersibles at psubs.
> org>
> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.
> org>
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2016 4:33 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub on a Zodiac carrier was AW: Maynard's
> sub boat
>
> Last picture. I have also a towing video of 17MB were they run the sub
> with over 20 knots on the zodiac. vbr Carsten
>
>
>
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> Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub on a Zodiac carrier was AW: Maynard's sub
> boat
> Datum: 2016-08-12T07:15:20+0200
> Von: "T Novak via Personal_Submersibles" <personal_submersibles at psubs. org
> >
> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" <personal_submersibles at psubs.
> org>
>
>
>
> Similar thoughts attached.  Apparently the sub on the zodiac based
> platform require less water depth to launch off the trailer than the sub
> requires alone off the trailer.
> Tim
>
> *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-
> bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2016 7:39 PM
> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.
> org>
> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub on a Zodiac carrier was AW: Maynard's
> sub boat
>
> Doug,
> I think the zodiac is a great idea, you will have to play with an easy way
> to attach and detach.  You might want to consider a CT enclosure like Emile
> has.  That should be easy enough to rig up on Snoopy.  The way a K250 is
> built is not ideal for big seas, but you have options.  As mentioned the
> Clear CT enclosure, you could even look at a K350 style CT with a regular
> hatch.  I would go with a small 18 inch hatch to keep it real light.  It
> would be a piece of cake  to add a new removable  CT.  You could have it as
> an option, depending on dive conditions.
> Hank
>
> On Thursday, August 11, 2016 7:29 PM, Douglas Suhr via
> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote:
>
> Prohibited weapons aside, yes I like the idea of going the zodiac route
> for these reasons: cheap, simple and big bumper. Just not sure how well it
> would work with a tall/tankish design like Snoopy's.
>
> Last April we took the Whaler out onto the Atlantic several miles out.
> That boat is one of the sturdiest boats I've ever set foot on, but at 25
> feet, it was getting tossed like a bathtub toy during a temper tantrum (it
> was a two hands day), and the seas weren't bad that day by any means... 3
> foot waves. I'm trying to picture doing anything in the ocean with a
> support barge and I just can't... unless it were just flat calm. Point for
> Zodiac design. Maybe two Zodiacs I-beamed together with the sub slung in
> the middle? ~ Doug S.
>
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 8:57 PM, TOM WHENT via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.
> org> wrote:
>
>
>  Sorry wrong email replied to.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: TOM WHENT via Personal_Submersibles <mailto:personal_submersibles@
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> Sent: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 18:55:23 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub on a Zodiac carrier was AW: Maynard's sub
> boat
>
>
>  I was just reading the news article about the terrorist they shot
> yesterday in Strathroy... It seems they caught him one already and released
> him on a peace bond - one of the conditions of which was that he had to
> surrender any firearms and prohibited weapons.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <mailto:personal_submersibles@
> psubs.org>
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> Sent: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 17:43:10 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub on a Zodiac carrier was AW: Maynard's sub
> boat
> Hi Doug,
> Are you thinking about taking the bottom out of a zodiac and driving the
> sub into it.  That is way better than a barge in my mind.  You get the
> benefit of flotation as well as a big ass bumper.
> I had a crane on a barge and that worked well in the lake but in ocean
> swells, that barge would beat a sub to death.  I used a long sling on the
> hook so that the sub did not come in contact with steel bouncing around.
> But lakes are very tame in comparison.
> Hank
>
> On Thursday, August 11, 2016 4:10 PM, Douglas Suhr via
> Personal_Submersibles <mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org> wrote:
>
> Thwarted again by the 250's height! I really like this kind of arrangement
> for it's simplicity though. And I think as far as keeping it small, this
> might be the best way to manage launch and recovery in a rough sea state. ~
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <mailto:personal_submersibles@
> psubs.org> wrote:
>
> Yes, came through Carsten.
> That's an interesting variation of what I've been suggesting.
> I was looking at a K250 on a trailer; and they are fairly deep,
> which would make it hard to design something like this to work
> successfully.
> It might start Cliff thinking, his sub would work well with a similar
> design.
> Alan
>
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> *From:* "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" <mailto:personal_submersibles@
> psubs.org>
> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion <mailto:personal_submersibles@
> psubs.org>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 12, 2016 7:39 AM
> *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub on a Zodiac carrier was AW: Maynard's sub
> boat
>
> First picture. (testfile if the size work on these Psuns mails)
>
> vbr Carsten
>
>
>
> -----Original-Nachricht-----
> Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Maynard's sub boat
> Datum: 2016-08-10T17:11:58+0200
> Von: "James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles" <mailto:personal_submersibles@
> psubs.org>
> An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <mailto:personal_submersibles@
> psubs.org>
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>
>
> Hi carsten,
>
> It would be great if you could find a picture.  Sounds interesting.
>
> Regards
> James
>
> On 10 August 2016 at 11:47, MerlinSub at t-online.de via
> Personal_Submersibles <mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org> wrote:
>
> I have done such a concept for SOVI (Shark Observer vecicle) in South
> Africa.
> Was a semi flooding towing RIB behind a Motorboot with over 20 knots
> towing speed.
> Will search for a picture.
>
> vbr Carsten
>
>
>
> -----Original-Nachricht-----
> Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Maynard's sub boat
> Datum: 2016-08-10T06:05:53+0200
> Von: "Alan James via Personal_Submersibles" <mailto:personal_submersibles@
> psubs.org>
> An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <mailto:personal_submersibles@
> psubs.org>
>
>
>
> This was a concept I was thinking about a while back.
> Excuse the sketch.
> The idea is to have a boat with twin outboards, & a consul up front.
> You raise the motors & pump enough water into the side pontoons to be
> able to drive the sub in & out. Maybe some assistance with a winch
> when returning would be required. If the unit was designed properly
> with a floor that could take the weight of the sub, then you could trailer
> both simultaneously. Alan
>
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> *From:* k6fee via Personal_Submersibles <mailto:personal_submersibles@
> psubs.org>
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2016 2:12 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Maynard's sub boat
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> Hey, a sub on a sub!! I like it! �
>
> Keith T
>
>
>
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles <mailto:personal_submersibles@
> psubs.org>
> Date: 8/9/16 6:56 PM (GMT-08:00)
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> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Maynard's sub boat
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> You mean like this Brian,
> http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/ technology/subs/pisces/pisces- training.html
> <http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/technology/subs/pisces/pisces-training.html>
> I was trying to describe this in an earlier post.
> Alan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 10/08/2016, at 12:50 pm, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <mailto:personal_submersibles@
> psubs.org> wrote:
>
> Seems like there ought to be a way to have another submersible platform
> which cradles the K boat, then submerge to the bottom leaving the "carrier
> boat" sitting on the bottom until ur ready to go back home, then link back
> up with the carrier boat and surface.   The carrier boat would need to be
> big enough to travel on the surface and keep the conning tower well above
> the surface to avoid flooding.  Of course many challenges with something
> like that.
>
> Brian
>
>
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> From: Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles <mailto:personal_submersibles@
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> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <mailto:personal_submersibles@
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> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Maynard's sub boat
> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 20:15:00 -0400
> Thanks for the history Vance, did not know. ~ Doug S.
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 7:25 PM, via Personal_Submersibles <mailto:personal_submersibles@
> psubs.org> wrote:
>
> I sent a response via phone and haven't seen it. To repeat: I do have some
> of George's original drawings on his tender. Web's was a takeoff on that
> design and not terribly successful due to poor load carrying capacity and
> so on. It worked, but was pretty restricted in what it could do. George's
> was better, hands down. 44' long as I recall. It started life with China
> diesels which were achingly slow, and ended up with a couple of junkyard
> 250 cid Chevy in-line 6 truck engines that worked very well. And were
> cheap, which was an important consideration for ANY consideration for the
> Captain.
> Vance
>
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> From: Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles <mailto:personal_submersibles@
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> To: personal_submersibles <mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2016 5:13 pm
> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Maynard's sub boat
> Did Maynard ever produce/release plans for his sub carrier, Tender Nellie?
> I never saw it in person, but pictures lives on the net.
> http://johnmaynard.tripod.com/ sub2.html
> <http://johnmaynard.tripod.com/sub2.html>
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