[PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Barge

Fri Sep 5 19:59:20 EDT 2014

Cliff,
It is under Last Sphere sub, it is the fifth from last on the list of projects.  You can also search my name and see it listed with my other projects.  It is not under Gamma restoration.
Hank--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 9/5/14, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Barge
 To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 Received: Friday, September 5, 2014, 7:52 PM

  Hank,
 when I look at the Psub project site and look at your Gamma
 Restoration project I don't see the barge you are
 referring to.  What am I missing?
 Cliff

         From: hank
  pronk via Personal_Submersibles
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 September 5, 2014 6:23 PM
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 Cliff,
 If you go to my projects
 on Psubs my 48in sphere sub is sitting on my barge.
 Hank
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 On Fri, 9/5/14, Clifford Redus via
 Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 wrote:

  Subject: Re:
 [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Barge
  To:
 "Personal
  Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
  Received: Friday, September 5, 2014, 7:11
 PM

  Hank, can you send
 a
  picture?

  Cliff R

  >
  On Sep 5, 2014, at 5:56
 PM, hank pronk via
  Personal_Submersibles
 <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
  wrote:
  > 

 > I built my
  barge for under 1,000
 dollars plus the crane, witch I had
  laying
 around. 
  > Hank
  >

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  > On Fri, 9/5/14, Brian Cox via
  Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
  wrote:
  > 

 > Subject:
  Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs
 Barge
  > To:

 "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
  > Received: Friday, September 5, 2014,
 6:26
  PM
  > 
  > Sounds like a
  lot of
 $$$
  > dollar signs ! I wonder if
  the subs
  > were partially
 in the water if
  it might make the barge
 more
  > stable.
  Brian
  > 
  > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org
  wrote:
  > 

 > From:
  Douglas Suhr via
  >
  Personal_Submersibles
  > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
  > To:
  > Personal
  Submersibles General Discussion
  > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
  > Subject: Re:
  [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs
  Barge
  > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 18:02:58
  -0400
  > 

 > Or even
  > if we could just find a
 couple of nice,
  big aluminum tubes
  > or fiberglass hulls
  to
 work with, that would give us a major
  >
 head start on designing the rest of the

 system. 
  > Before we do anything else
  though, I
  > think we
 should consider
  weights and sizes. Do we
 want to be
  >
  able to
 handle two subs at once, or just one? Or maybe an
  > option of one large sub (5000lbs.) or
 two
  small subs
  >
 (2500lbs. each)? A sub is a
  fairly dense
 item so trying to
  > handle
  two subs at once may present issues with
 stability
  > (i.e. after the first sub
 has launched and
  the second sub is
  > on one end of the
  barge,
 thrown in with a mix of wave
  >
  action... yikes! Launching two subs
 simultaneously is a
  > possible solution
 but would present its
  own challenges and
  > dangers). 
  >
 I'd
  > love to say

 we'll just build it bigger, but I think

 > it's important to keep this project
  reasonable and road
  >
 trailerable (even
  if in stages) behind
 regular tow vehicles
  > (and not tractor
 trailers). 
  > Perhaps limiting ourselves
 to a
  > single-vessel barge would be best
 (and
  would conform to the

 > KISS guidelines),
  but it would sure be
 nice to have a
  >

 two-vessel capability to get the most bang for our buck
  in
  > terms of diving per
 ocean trip.
  Opinions?

 >  
  > 
  > On
  > Fri, Sep 5, 2014
  at 5:42
 PM, Cliff Redus via
  >

 Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
  > wrote:
  > That
 would
  be
  > easier. 
 Maybe we should all be on
  the lookout for
 used
  > barge that we

 could do a make over on.
  > 
  > 
  > Cliff
  > 
  > 

 >  From: "swaters at waters-ks.com
  > via Personal_Submersibles"
  >  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
  >  To: Personal
  >
  Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
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  September
  > 5, 2014 4:38
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  > 

 > Is there any
  > kind of used boat we
 could buy and
  modify
  >
 it?Thanks,Scott Waters
  > 
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  From: Cliff Redus via

 >
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  >
  Date:09/05/2014 
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  Barge 
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 > From a
  practical point of
  >  view, if we did
  build
 a PSub Launch barge, it would have to
  >
 be fairly simple and follow the KISS

 principle to get it of
  > the drawing
  board and built by a committee.  I for one
  > don't have the time to design a
 self
  powered ship.  I

 > am thinking a larger
  version of a
 typical pontoon boat that
  >
  could be towed by the Boston Whaler.  We
 would need
  someone
  >
 like Jon to be able to set up
  something
 like a dropbox
  > account that
  anyone could populate with files, drawing,
  > sketches, CAD files  etc.  We would
  have
  to collectively
  >
 establish the overall
  capability of the
 barge ( how many
  >

 psubs, maximum weight of psubs, wench/davit system for
  > launch and retrieval, auxiliary
 systems
  such as lights). 

 > Someone that has a
  3-D cad program
 like Inventor or
  >

 Solidworks would have to agree to take sketches and ideas
  > folks come up with and build out 3-D
 model
  that we could
  >
 collectively critique and
  make suggested
 changes to. 
  > Someone

 would need to do
  >  the basic
  >  stability calcs with loaded or
  > partially loaded deck.  Some one
 would
  need to do some
  >
 research on launch and
  retrieval systems,
 such as davits 
  > or

 winches and bring forward a couple of recommendations. 
  > Someone that is a welder (like Dan
 Lance)
  would need to
  >
 review the construction
  drawing to make
 sure welding plan is
  >

 workable.  Someone would have to figure out where you
  would
  > store the barge
 when not in
  use.  Some one would need
 to
  > figure
  out a
 coating plan for the barge.  Someone would

 > have to take on looking at what

 regulations we would need to
  > meet
 to
  use this in the Florida Keys.  Someone
 would have
  > to do a material takeoff
 off
  construction
  drawings and

 > figure out the cost to
  build and
 establish a budget.  If we
  >
  did build a psub barge, we would need to pole
 the group
  and
  > see how
 many would be willing to
  split the cost to
 fabricate
  > based on

 the estimated cost.  We would need someone to
  > agree
  >  to
 fabricate
  the weldments and assembly.  We
 would need
  > to
  > 
 figure out where
  to build it and what it
  > would cost to
  transport
 it the Keys.  We would have to
  > figure
 out how to register such a barge.
  Would
 Psubs own the
  > barge or would it
  make
  since for Doug to own?  Are there
  >
  any legal liabilities of having such a barge
 and if so
  who
  > would
 be liable?  We would need
  someone that is
 not
  > currently building
  a psub to agree to be the Barge
  >
  Bulldog!
  > 
  > Or if
  someone
  > would agree to
 do all the
  above, maybe we just pass the
 hat
  > and
  let them do
 it.
  > 
  >
  Cliff
  > 

 > 
  >
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  > 
  >
 What a rig
  Brian, and a decomp
  > chamber to
  >  boot!

  > I like the
  idea of a
 group-designed
  > and

 group-built
  support ship, my only concern being the

 > logistics of coordinating a project of

 that magnitude.
  > I'm sure it
 could
  be done well given the proper
  >
  leadership and
 organization though, especially

 considering
  > the diverse skillset we
  would share as a team from designing
  > to
  fabrication. And I
 don't think anyone would complain
  >
 about the benefits of a support barge. 

 > 
  > 
  > 
  >

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