[PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Barge

Fri Sep 5 19:52:47 EDT 2014

 Hank, when I look at the Psub project site and look at your Gamma Restoration project I don't see the barge you are referring to.  What am I missing?

Cliff

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 From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
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Cliff,
If you go to my projects on Psubs my 48in sphere sub is sitting on my barge.
Hank
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On Fri, 9/5/14, Clifford Redus via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

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Hank, can you send a
picture?

Cliff R

>
On Sep 5, 2014, at 5:56 PM, hank pronk via
Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
wrote:
> 
> I built my
barge for under 1,000 dollars plus the crane, witch I had
laying around. 
> Hank
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> On Fri, 9/5/14, Brian Cox via
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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Barge
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> Received: Friday, September 5, 2014, 6:26
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> 
> Sounds like a
lot of $$$
> dollar signs ! I wonder if
the subs
> were partially in the water if
it might make the barge more
> stable.
Brian
> 
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> Or even
> if we could just find a couple of nice,
big aluminum tubes
> or fiberglass hulls
to work with, that would give us a major
> head start on designing the rest of the
system. 
> Before we do anything else
though, I
> think we should consider
weights and sizes. Do we want to be
>
able to handle two subs at once, or just one? Or maybe an
> option of one large sub (5000lbs.) or two
small subs
> (2500lbs. each)? A sub is a
fairly dense item so trying to
> handle
two subs at once may present issues with stability
> (i.e. after the first sub has launched and
the second sub is
> on one end of the
barge, thrown in with a mix of wave
>
action... yikes! Launching two subs simultaneously is a
> possible solution but would present its
own challenges and
> dangers). 
> I'd
> love to say
we'll just build it bigger, but I think
> it's important to keep this project
reasonable and road
> trailerable (even
if in stages) behind regular tow vehicles
> (and not tractor trailers). 
> Perhaps limiting ourselves to a
> single-vessel barge would be best (and
would conform to the
> KISS guidelines),
but it would sure be nice to have a
>
two-vessel capability to get the most bang for our buck
in
> terms of diving per ocean trip.
Opinions?
>  
> 
> On
> Fri, Sep 5, 2014
at 5:42 PM, Cliff Redus via
>
Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> wrote:
> That would
be
> easier.  Maybe we should all be on
the lookout for used
> barge that we
could do a make over on.
> 
> 
> Cliff
> 
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> Is there any
> kind of used boat we could buy and
modify
> it?Thanks,Scott Waters
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> From a
practical point of
>  view, if we did
build a PSub Launch barge, it would have to
> be fairly simple and follow the KISS
principle to get it of
> the drawing
board and built by a committee.  I for one
> don't have the time to design a self
powered ship.  I
> am thinking a larger
version of a typical pontoon boat that
>
could be towed by the Boston Whaler.  We would need
someone
> like Jon to be able to set up
something like a dropbox
> account that
anyone could populate with files, drawing,
> sketches, CAD files  etc.  We would have
to collectively
> establish the overall
capability of the barge ( how many
>
psubs, maximum weight of psubs, wench/davit system for
> launch and retrieval, auxiliary systems
such as lights). 
> Someone that has a
3-D cad program like Inventor or
>
Solidworks would have to agree to take sketches and ideas
> folks come up with and build out 3-D model
that we could
> collectively critique and
make suggested changes to. 
> Someone
would need to do
>  the basic
>  stability calcs with loaded or
> partially loaded deck.  Some one would
need to do some
> research on launch and
retrieval systems, such as davits 
> or
winches and bring forward a couple of recommendations. 
> Someone that is a welder (like Dan Lance)
would need to
> review the construction
drawing to make sure welding plan is
>
workable.  Someone would have to figure out where you
would
> store the barge when not in
use.  Some one would need to
> figure
out a coating plan for the barge.  Someone would
> have to take on looking at what
regulations we would need to
> meet to
use this in the Florida Keys.  Someone would have
> to do a material takeoff off construction
drawings and
> figure out the cost to
build and establish a budget.  If we
>
did build a psub barge, we would need to pole the group
and
> see how many would be willing to
split the cost to fabricate
> based on
the estimated cost.  We would need someone to
> agree
>  to fabricate
the weldments and assembly.  We would need
> to
>  figure out where
to build it and what it
> would cost to
transport it the Keys.  We would have to
> figure out how to register such a barge.
Would Psubs own the
> barge or would it
make since for Doug to own?  Are there
>
any legal liabilities of having such a barge and if so
who
> would be liable?  We would need
someone that is not
> currently building
a psub to agree to be the Barge
>
Bulldog!
> 
> Or if
someone
> would agree to do all the
above, maybe we just pass the hat
> and
let them do it.
> 
>
Cliff
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> 
> What a rig
Brian, and a decomp
> chamber to
>  boot! 
> I like the
idea of a group-designed
> and
group-built support ship, my only concern being the
> logistics of coordinating a project of
that magnitude.
> I'm sure it could
be done well given the proper
>
leadership and organization though, especially
considering
> the diverse skillset we
would share as a team from designing
> to
fabrication. And I don't think anyone would complain
> about the benefits of a support barge. 
> 
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