<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">Hi Jon,</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Im not sure whether anyone answered the original question original question about braking the buoy line. I do that, in case I had to release the buoy at a depth that’s much shallower than the length of the line. Since your sub is rated to 600’, I suspect you’re in the same situation.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Shackleton’s buoy line is wound onto a plastic spool that has radial reinforcing ribs on its sides. I think it originally came into my hands when I bought cable. I have a little rotating shaft through the hull. A piece of Kevlar string with a turn on the outboard part of the shaft is attached to a spring-actuated plunger. Initially the buoy is wound in, the little string relaxed, and the spring pushes the plunger into one of the segments on the side of the spool. Rotate the shaft a little, and the plunger is pulled back against its spring, allowing the flotation of the buoy to draw the line out. Rotate the shaft back, and it stops.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Best,</div><div dir="ltr">Alec</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Feb 8, 2025, at 8:14 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div> Hank,<br><br>I think you were correct the first time, 36-48 inch light bars are advertised with power ratings of 200-240 watts. Most double-A (AA) LED flashlights have more intensity than 200 lumens and even the good old sealed beam automotive headlights with tungsten filaments averaged 1100 lumens. I'm sure your light bar consumes a couple hundred watts, or close to it.<br><br>Jon<br><br> </div> <div class="yahoo_quoted" style="margin:10px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #ccc;padding-left:1ex;"> <div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;"> <div> On Saturday, February 8, 2025 at 06:38:41 PM EST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote: </div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <div><div id="yiv6859732032"><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class="yiv6859732032ydpb4c52ceyahoo-style-wrap"><div></div> <div dir="ltr">Justin,</div><div dir="ltr">I think you are right on the money. I miss spoke, I meant 200 lummen. I did not have the heat sink on the board. I simply submerged the board in casting resin and it failed right away. Had I mounted it to the heat sink, I may have worked. This will make for some real chaep reliable lighting.</div><div dir="ltr">Hank</div><div><br clear="none"></div> </div><div id="yiv6859732032yahoo_quoted_9811125437" class="yiv6859732032yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;"> <div id="yiv6859732032yqt53159" class="yiv6859732032yqt6498378481"><div> On Saturday, February 8, 2025 at 02:16:17 PM MST, Justin Helland via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote: </div> <div><br clear="none"></div> <div><br clear="none"></div> <div><div id="yiv6859732032"><div><div dir="ltr">Just to add my single anec-data point, I filled an off-roading light with epoxy and let it sit powered overnight and it seemed to work fine, although it was less powerful than Hank's 200W, I think it was 60W. But the off road lights have pretty solid housings with radiating fins, so maybe as long as the light has enough mass in the housing connected to a heat sink you might be okay. But I like Sean's suggestion of thermal epoxy, I bet if you could get the thermal epoxy to contact the LED board as well as the housing you'd be golden.</div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv6859732032gmail_quote yiv6859732032gmail_quote_container"><div id="yiv6859732032yqt54756" class="yiv6859732032yqt1295939172"><div dir="ltr" class="yiv6859732032gmail_attr">On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 10:50 AM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class="yiv6859732032gmail_quote"><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div></div> <div dir="ltr">Sean, </div><div dir="ltr">I used casting resin, and not very thick, maybe 1\2 inch. It would have been maybe 200 W and it was submerged. A test with a heat gun would be a good idea to start with. You could make the epoxy extemly thin and try it with the thermal epoxy. It only needs to seal out water. Oil cmpensating has proven the components can handle pressure (1200 psi). If Jon can make this work it would be fantastic.</div><div dir="ltr">Hank</div><div><br clear="none"></div> </div><div id="yiv6859732032m_2497375182495373187yahoo_quoted_9481413736"> <div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42);"> <div> On Friday, February 7, 2025 at 09:20:56 PM MST, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote: </div> <div><br clear="none"></div> <div><br clear="none"></div> <div><div id="yiv6859732032m_2497375182495373187yiv2287236804"><div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">What epoxy did you use, and how powerful was the LED?</div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">I wonder about the possibility of a two part pour, where a relatively thin layer would be poured only between the emitter and the lens using a clear epoxy like this:</div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><span><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://mgchemicals.com/products/potting-compounds/epoxy-potting/clear-epoxy-resin/">https://mgchemicals.com/products/potting-compounds/epoxy-potting/clear-epoxy-resin/</a></span><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">...and then a separate pour could be done between the back side of the emitter / electronics and the housing / heat sink, using a thermally conductive epoxy like this:</div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><span><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://mgchemicals.com/products/potting-compounds/epoxy-potting/thermally-conductive-epoxy/">https://mgchemicals.com/products/potting-compounds/epoxy-potting/thermally-conductive-epoxy/</a></span><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"> <div> </div> <div> </div></div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">Would depend I guess on how much heat the LED package puts out, the temperature of the surrounding water, and the efficacy of the housing heat sink. Was your test immersed?</div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">Sean</div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv6859732032m_2497375182495373187yiv2287236804yqt26946"><div> On Friday, February 7th, 2025 at 13:05, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"> <blockquote type="cite"> <div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div></div> <div dir="ltr">Jon, </div><div dir="ltr">I tested an LED light in epoxy and it bunt up pretty quickly.</div><div dir="ltr">Hank</div><div><br clear="none"></div> </div><div id="yiv6859732032m_2497375182495373187yiv2287236804yahoo_quoted_9534075547"> <div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42);"> <div> On Tuesday, February 4, 2025 at 12:39:54 PM MST, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote: </div> <div><br clear="none"></div> <div><br clear="none"></div> <div><div dir="ltr">Hello folks, looking for some suggestions.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">1) Are you braking your spool of rope for the emergency flotation buoy so that it doesn't unravel during normal operations or do you find it unnecessary? If so, can you describe how you are braking your spool?<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">2) I'm testing a set of off-the-shelf 12v led lights (4 inch round) and was going to oil compensate them but now I'm thinking about just filling the entire void with a clear non-yellowing epoxy. I don't see the units as having any useful or serviceable parts upon failure regardless of compensation method so sealing them permanently with epoxy seems like a viable and perhaps less messy method in the long run. The units would require approximately 1.25 inches (31.75mm) depth of epoxy to fill them and my only concern is what effect the dry epoxy will have on the light emanating from the units. 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