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<p class="ydp971e975dyiv3476503941MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">This is my preliminary design. No portholes drawn in. want to have viewports both sides front top and bottom for a total of four viewports. Interior allows two seats side by side. Still a lot of thinking to
do. I know the vessel shape is probably not ideal but I kind of based it on our stealth bombers because I liked the look. I am not at this time planning on any great depths. Plan to build with ½ “ steel plate.</span></p>
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<p class="ydp971e975dyiv3476503941MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Jefferson Tortorelli</span></p>
<p class="ydp971e975dyiv3476503941MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Tortorelli Creations</span></p>
<p class="ydp971e975dyiv3476503941MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">4910 Santa Anita Avenue</span></p>
<p class="ydp971e975dyiv3476503941MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">El Monte, CA 91731vessel</span></p>
<p class="ydp971e975dyiv3476503941MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Cell: 909-908-3795</span></p>
<p class="ydp971e975dyiv3476503941MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Shop: 909-370-3131</span></p>
<p class="ydp971e975dyiv3476503941MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Website: <a shape="rect" href="http://www.Tortorelli.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">
<span style="color:#467886;">www.Tortorelli.com</span></a></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Bussard via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] information on viewports</span></p>
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<p class="ydp971e975dyiv3476503941MsoNormal">+1 to Greg’s comment- The work on that website is remarkable!</p>
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<p class="ydp971e975dyiv3476503941MsoNormal">Welcome to the group from a fellow Californian, though I am a non-builder at present.
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<p class="ydp971e975dyiv3476503941MsoNormal">If your sub building is anything like your woodworking, we are all in for a wonderful treat! Awesome stuff for sure! </p>
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find we urge using known accepted standards for fabrication for 1-ATM vessels. As Sean has alluded to, your submarine can easily become your coffin and the best way to prevent that is to build to accepted standards. That doesn't mean there isn't room for
innovation, however the cost of testing to destruction innovative designs is a time consuming and expensive path.</span></p>
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<p class="ydp971e975dyiv3476503941MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:New serif;">We aren't trying to discourage you, just setting the "safety" tone since we are big on that here. You might be well served to let is look at your design...we can point out issues that might
be concerning and why you might find them so. There's plenty of room for a non-traditional vessel that follows accepted design practices and you might inspire someone else to use your design.</span></p>
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is really quite helpful. I know that of the two types of people interested in building a submersible, I fit the group that loves the build and don’t think I (at this point) care to dive deeper than 300 feet. It is the build. I have a preliminary design drawing.
I actually am a little embarrassed to share as it certainly differs from what I have seen you guys doing.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p class="ydp971e975dyiv3476503941ydpc3282c27yiv3574689041msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">I did read something this morning about Pronk making/casting epoxy viewports and a link to a epoxy supplier.
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<p class="ydp971e975dyiv3476503941ydpc3282c27yiv3574689041msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">I will continue my research which I find quite interesting!</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p class="ydp971e975dyiv3476503941ydpc3282c27yiv3574689041msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Shop: 909-370-3131</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<a shape="rect" href="http://www.Tortorelli.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="color:#467886;">www.Tortorelli.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none">
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<p class="ydp971e975dyiv3476503941ydpc3282c27yiv3574689041msonormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">It appears that I misnumbered those resources, which should obviously have been numbered 1, 2, and 3.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"><br clear="none">
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On Mar 16, 2024, 11:16, Sean T. Stevenson < <a shape="rect" href="mailto:sean.t.stevenson@protonmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">
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1) Handbook of acrylics for submersibles, hyperbaric chambers, and aquaria. - Jerry D. Stachiw<br clear="none">
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As for manufacturers, an internet search will likely reveal a number of acrylic suppliers who will manufacture viewports. Purchasing will inevitably be more expensive than DIY, because a manufacturer can only sell you a PVHO-1 certified viewport for liability
reasons. For a PSub, you can achieve the intent without the exhaustive documentation requirements of PVHO-1 by designing to the standard, using the correct slush cast PMMA material, following the appropriate annealing schedule after forming, and then by subsequently
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acrylic viewports or learning (if possible) how to fabricate my own.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p class="ydp971e975dyiv3476503941ydpc3282c27yiv3574689041msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Jeff</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p class="ydp971e975dyiv3476503941ydpc3282c27yiv3574689041msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Jefferson Tortorelli</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
<p class="ydp971e975dyiv3476503941ydpc3282c27yiv3574689041msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Tortorelli Creations</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p class="ydp971e975dyiv3476503941ydpc3282c27yiv3574689041msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">El Monte, CA 91731</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
<p class="ydp971e975dyiv3476503941ydpc3282c27yiv3574689041msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Cell: 909-908-3795</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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