<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">True but this was the first dive with air compensation. Could have have been the air compensation system.<div><br></div><div>Cliff</div><div><br><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Aug 1, 2023, at 12:59 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">Cliff, the seals may have been pushed out from previous oil filled dives also. They push back in with minor effort. I may add a second relief valve. Hank<br><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Aug 1, 2023, at 10:25 AM, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">I have a local supplier for Tescom (Zimco Instrumentation), but my RFQ would come back with our industrial contract price in Canadian dollars, so maybe not relevant to the group at large.<br><br>Sean<br><br>-------- Original Message --------<br>On Aug. 1, 2023, 10:17, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<blockquote class="protonmail_quote"><br><div class="ydpc1fd4e24yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;"><div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif;"></div>
<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="">Sean, the specs do look good on this unit. To me the issue is going to be the cost. As background, the Parker regulator that Hugh, Alec and I have used for this application is the <span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif;"><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">364-02BSS/M1 Parker Watts Pneumatic Regulator.</span></span><div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif;"><div><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><a href="https://store.livhaven.com/r364-02bss-m1-watts-fluidair-pneumatic-regulator" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://store.livhaven.com/r364-02bss-m1-watts-fluidair-pneumatic-regulator</a> at $217.51. I purchased mine off ebay for a fraction of this.<br></div></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="">When I had the Parker <span style="font-size: 16px; font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);">364-02BSS/M1 </span>installed for pressure compensating for my four MK 101s, it was connected to the LP port from my AquaLung Titan balanced diaphragm first stage regulator. I had the <span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;">Parker </span><font color="#26282a" face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: inherit;">364-02BSS/M1 adjusted to give about 2 psi over ambient.</font></span> I had the first stage set to 50 psi over ambient water pressure. I use this for BIBBS and blowing the MBTs. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="">The <span><font color="#26282a" face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: inherit;">Tescom 44-4069 regulator would run directly off the HP air tank pressure then output go directly to thrusters. It would be interesting to compare the Cv's for both regulators to get a feel on how much air flow rate they can provide to the thrusters descending and venting when ascending. </font></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><span><font color="#26282a" face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: inherit;">The Tescom 44-4069 regulator would be a clean installation with just a single 1/4 SS tubing run from the HP port of the 1st stage regulator to the input port of Tescom 44-4069 regulator. From the output port of the Tescom 44-4069 a single 1/4 SS tubing to a Swagelok Tee that branched off to two more "T"s to give four 1/4 SS tubing runs to the thrusters.</font><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><br></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><span><font color="#26282a" face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: inherit;">We need to get a RFQ on one of these regulators. Do you have a preferred supplier?</font></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Cliff</span></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""><span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></span></div></div><div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif;"><br></div>
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On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 09:47:29 PM CDT, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:
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<div><div id="ydp81ec12b4yiv4171593328"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I would be inclined to use a Tescom 44-4069 regulator for this purpose. Not sure what these sell for.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sean</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">-------- Original Message --------<br clear="none">On Jul. 31, 2023, 20:37, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<blockquote class="ydp81ec12b4yiv4171593328protonmail_quote"><br clear="none"></blockquote></div><div id="ydp81ec12b4yiv4171593328yqt09435" class="ydp81ec12b4yiv4171593328yqt1125634846"><div>My original air competition for the R300 used the regulator that Hugh Fulton has on QSub. These are pricey new but you can get them used on eBay. I was operating all four of my Minn kotas 101 off this single regulator. It was a special ss pressure reducing/pressure releasing regulator. I had it installed on my last Florida dive which I went down about 100 ft . Unit worked fine. My first failure was on Flathead lake expedition in which one of my aft thrusters flooded. After that I switched to oil compensation. Alec is using same regular on his articulated arm and not the thrusters. He felt issue with the regulator was that the port for releasing pressure on ascent was too small. I believe he has addressed this by adding a pressure release valve or OP valve. He can elaborate more on his current strategy.<div><br clear="none"></div><div>Cliff<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 31, 2023, at 9:14 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">John,<div>I am happy with both air & oil. </div><div>Am intending to fill my thrusters with oil, but have the oil pressurized off my air comp system. This will reduce air use to just whats in the lines.</div><div>My electric manipulator will be air compensated off the same unit. Putting oil in it adds another layer of complexity.</div><div>I think I need to put out a long video once I've finished this</div><div>air compensator.</div><div>From what I am hearing from Cliff, he didn't get enough air delivery from the single regulator he was using. However I thought this was the same unit that Alec is using & was now happy with.</div><div>Alan</div><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div id="ydp81ec12b4yiv4171593328ymail_android_signature"><a shape="rect" id="ydp81ec12b4yiv4171593328ymail_android_signature_link" href="https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a></div> <br clear="none"> <blockquote style="margin:0 0 20px 0;"> <div style="font-family:Roboto, sans-serif;color:#6D00F6;"> <div>On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 at 1:29 pm, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles</div><div><personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:</div> </div> <div style="padding:10px 0 0 20px;margin:10px 0 0 0;border-left:1px solid #6D00F6;"> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"> </div> </blockquote></div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br clear="none"><span>Personal_Submersibles mailing list</span><br clear="none"><span>Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</span><br clear="none"><span>http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</span><br clear="none"></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div class="ydp81ec12b4yqt1125634846" id="ydp81ec12b4yqt25870">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></div></div>
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