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<p>I mentioned the relevance of the left-wing bias in another
message.</p>
<p>As for acoustic sensing, it apparently caught vibrations relating
to the adjustment of individual fiber positions during the initial
pressurization of the hull, and acoustic sensors continued to be
used during dives. At least, that is how I interpreted what I have
read. And as I understand it, the fibers used were carbon, though
nobody says which kind...</p>
<p>Marc de Piolenc<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/3/2023 1:49 AM,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a> via Personal_Submersibles wrote:<br>
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<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Marc,
what means "Despite its heavy leftism" ? </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">And
how can a sounding system help you on a fiber with the elastic
behaviour of glass?</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Carsten</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none"> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
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<p style="margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Titan
submersible missing at Titanic site</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Datum: 2023-07-02T07:01:28+0200</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Von: "Marc de Piolenc via
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<p style="margin: 0px;">An: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.deviaPersonal_Submersibles">"MerlinSub@t-online.de via
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<p style="margin: 0px;">And the character assassination and
innuendos are running full blast. Despite its heavy leftism, I
would have expected something more like journalistic integrity
from The New Yorker.</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">The article did reveal one fact that I
had not seen, namely that the occupants had time enough to
release weights before the fatal implosion. The acoustic
sensors did work, but did not give sufficient margin.</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">The rest is essentially irrelevant but
damaging floss. Endless harping about the controller, which
was completely irrelevant to this accident, as the author and
his informants must have known.</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Marc de Piolenc</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/2/2023 3:53 AM, <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de" moz-do-not-send="true">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a>
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<blockquote
cite="mid:1688241192872.262605.a56b61161d2e166ba9039b73c2dbfec9ddc526b8@spica.telekom.de">
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
#000000; text-decoration: none;"><a
href="https://www.newyorker.com/news/a-reporter-at-large/the-titan-submersible-was-an-accident-waiting-to-happen?fbclid=IwAR0CN7CyK3Ok72HX4Mf0n6sB6uc95sE-nH5_N1KDrqA5XHU1vx_k8eUCbfo"
moz-do-not-send="true">The Titan Submersible Implosion
Was “an Accident Waiting to Happen” | The New Yorker</a></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
#000000; text-decoration: none;">Best insider description
so far. </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
#000000; text-decoration: none;">Carsten</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
#000000; text-decoration: none;"> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
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<p style="margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Titan
submersible missing at Titanic site</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Datum: 2023-07-01T12:13:41+0200</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Von: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.deviaPersonal_Submersibles"
moz-do-not-send="true">"MerlinSub@t-online.de via
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<p style="margin: 0px;">An: "Personal Submersibles General
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<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<div style="position: relative; color: #000000; font: 12px
Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
#000000; text-decoration: none;">I have done the
calculation again for a spherical shell sector window
with conical edge 160Mpa and CF 4.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
#000000; text-decoration: none;">According to this, a
window with 530/376 & 60° would have to be<br>
would have a wall thickness of 161 mm - according to
photos it was 140 mm at 60° or 110 mm at a 90° fit. <br>
A 90° window would have needed 132 mm thickness
according to the code. <br>
Now.. 140 to 161 mm or 110 to 132 mm is not far off -
and considering the window was inside straight - means
there was more material there. </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
#000000; text-decoration: none;">I now think the window
was OK from a pressure design point of view. To be
precise you would need a cross-section drawing with the
real geometry.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
#000000; text-decoration: none;">Carsten</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
#000000; text-decoration: none;"> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
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<p style="margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Titan
submersible missing at Titanic site</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Datum: 2023-06-30T22:29:35+0200</p>
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Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
#000000; text-decoration: none;">If I use these 120 mm
(STCP) and a CF of 4 it was good for around 1000 m. </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">With 120 mm thickness it was at
collapse deep. </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Carsten</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
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submersible missing at Titanic site</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Datum: 2023-06-30T22:18:31+0200</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Von: <a
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<div style="position: relative; color: #000000; font: 12px
Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
#000000; text-decoration: none;">I found a much
better picture and correct the figures as follow:</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Diameter hull
1600 mm (given) </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Diameter front porthole outside
614 mm</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Diameter front porthole inside
436 mm </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">But given with the outer window
diamter given by Jon of just 530 I come to </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Diameter hull
1381mm</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Diameter front porthole outside
530 mm (given)</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Diameter front porthole inside
376 mm </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">If I do with the 530 / 376 a
little reverse enginering on a conical seat of 60°</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">I come to a thickness of just
120 mm for a inside and outside flat conical frustrum
window. </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">According to PVHO-1-1987 t /Di
= 0,348 with t = 0,348 x 376 mm = 162 mm at 40 Mpa
(4000m)</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">(for Short term critical
presssure) </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">But from Jon's picture it seems
more a Sperical Sector Window with Conical Edge. and
flat inside. </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">The code has no figures for such
a window. </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">But if I use for Sherical Shell
windows t/di shall 0,195 means t = 0,195 x 376 = 73
mm</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">To be diplomatic I just mix up
the flat with the sperhical and got (162 + 73) / 2 =
117,5 mm </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">(for Short term critical
presssure) </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">The code says if you have not a
standard geometrie - you have to test 5 windows to
destroy dephs </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">and use the lowest failture
pressure for your calculation. </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Carsten</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
#000000; text-decoration: none;">. </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
#000000; text-decoration: none;"> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
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<p style="margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
Titan submersible missing at Titanic site</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Datum: 2023-06-30T16:11:40+0200</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Von: "Antoine Delafargue via
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class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
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12px Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">
<div dir="ltr">Hello Carsten,
<div> </div>
<div>for the thickness, I read that the viewport
should have been rated for 1300meters depth, so I
think that the designer designed for a short term
critical pressure of 5200m/52MPa, and perhaps
thought it would be fine using a 1.3X margin to
get to 4000m rather than the 4X margin we can find
in Stachiw book and PVHO rules for low
temperatures (to be checked but I believe it is
4x). </div>
<div> </div>
<div>regards</div>
<div>Antoine</div>
</div>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, Jun 30,
2023 at 4:03 PM <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de"
moz-do-not-send="true">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a>
via Personal_Submersibles <<a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>
wrote:</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px
0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc;
padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;
color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">I
check out some pictures and based on a given
length of 6500mm </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;
color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">I
come to the following rough figures: </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;
color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">Diameter
hull 1600
mm</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;
color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">Diameter
front porthole outside 700 mm</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;
color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">Diameter
front porthole inside 466 mm </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;
color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">(these
diameters indicate that the porthole could
be original designed as entrance..)</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;
color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">Now
idear about the thickness of the acrylic </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;
color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">-
but will check out PHSME about standard
flange angles tonight. </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;
color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">Carsten</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;
color: #000000; text-decoration: none;"> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] Titan submersible missing at
Titanic site</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Datum:
2023-06-30T15:31:14+0200</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Von: "<a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de"
moz-do-not-send="true">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a>
via Personal_Submersibles" <<a
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href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
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<p style="margin: 0px;">An: "Personal
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<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<div style="color: #000000; font: 12px
Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:
10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration:
none;">For me it looks like the biggest
diameter porthole used in that deep. </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:
10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration:
none;">Has somebody here inner and outer
diameter and the thickness?</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:
10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration:
none;">Carsten</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:
10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration:
none;"> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
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<p style="margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] Titan submersible missing at
Titanic site</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Datum:
2023-06-29T21:11:55+0200</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;">Von: "Jon Wallace via
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<div dir="ltr">The pictures of Titan that
I see in water show 16 bolts holding the
retaining ring in place. See attached
photo.</div>
<div dir="ltr"> </div>
<div dir="ltr"> </div>
<div dir="ltr">Jon</div>
<div dir="ltr"> </div>
<div dir="ltr"> </div>
<div> </div>
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<div>On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at
11:49:18 AM EDT, <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de"
moz-do-not-send="true">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a>
via Personal_Submersibles <<a
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href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
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wrote:</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif;
font-size: 10pt; color:
#000000; text-decoration:
none;">I have seen a video how
they make the carbon cylinder
and can imagine that the boat
imploded in longitudinal
direction. </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif;
font-size: 10pt; color:
#000000; text-decoration:
none;">Create a massive shock
wave with push the window out
(not in). As I saw in another
video the window was hold by
only 4 bolts outside. </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif;
font-size: 10pt; color:
#000000; text-decoration:
none;">All titan parts in the
video seems undamaged. </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif;
font-size: 10pt; color:
#000000; text-decoration:
none;">Carsten</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif;
font-size: 10pt; color:
#000000; text-decoration:
none;"> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre">_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" moz-do-not-send="true">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a> </pre>
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Archivale catalog: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.archivale.com">http://www.archivale.com</a>
Mass Flow (ducted fans): <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://massflow.archivale.com">http://massflow.archivale.com</a>
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Pinterest: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.pinterest.ph/piolenc">https://www.pinterest.ph/piolenc</a></pre>
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