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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/3/2023 2:17 PM, Antoine Delafargue
via Personal_Submersibles wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">France is a good example of regulatory overreach
with a culture of "everything is forbidden unless it is
specifically authorized". It probably explains why I am probably
the only builder of 1atm subs I know of here, and still, I had
to register my sub with british flag (imagine that ;-)) with a
super special authorization process now to dive here.</div>
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<p>And yet, until recently at least, France had an active
experimental aircraft movement building and flying a wide variety
of airplanes.</p>
<p>Marc<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at
12:53 AM Marc de Piolenc via Personal_Submersibles <<a
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<p>That's it, except that Left bias in the media goes back
long before COVID.</p>
<p>Marc de Piolenc<br>
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<div>On 7/3/2023 6:34 AM, Gregory Snyder via
Personal_Submersibles wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Carsten!</div>
<div dir="ltr">I think I can address what Marc is
referring to in his “despite its heavy leftism”
comment. </div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Right now the media in the United States is
horribly broken to the point that we really don’t have
any news organizations that tell news. Rather they find
a few items that they will consider “facts” and they
will create a narrative of “this is the truth and
everything else is a lie” commentary. Very frustrating
for the average citizen who just wants to stay informed.
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">The same exact event will have two
distinctly separate approaches to how it is represented
in the media. </div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">It is fairly awful. </div>
<div dir="ltr">This is compounded by the multiple events
over the past few years where the government was openly
lying ( or protecting the public from the truth) about
Covid, it’s origin and possible treatments - and the
American people have lost faith in the government AND
the media. </div>
<div dir="ltr">Only made worse by the government directly
involving itself in social media to control what can be
and will be allowed to be discussed. </div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Marc’s initial comment “despite its heavy
leftism” was to acknowledge that the magazine is
typically viewed as having opinions that would only be
endorsed by 1/2 of the country and that it would be
typical tactics in their journalistic integrity to
demean the person involved and not address facts of the
case. </div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">He was saying “even though recent history
of this magazine would let us know they are going to do
a bad job, they did an even worse job than expected.” </div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">I personally get my news from the BBC. </div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">At least I’m digesting someone else’s
propaganda. </div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Our system is broken. </div>
<div dir="ltr">Most normal Americans realize it but are
powerless to stop it. </div>
<div dir="ltr">For a time when we have almost the best of
everything in history, we are busy creating our own
conflicts and racial divides because it serves the major
political parties. </div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">My father passed away last year at almost
94 years old. </div>
<div dir="ltr">He told me once, “Son, the world is going
to hell, but I’m getting out in time.” </div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">The older I get. The more I embrace that
sentiment. </div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">AND…you still have the most awesome
personal submersible I have ever seen. </div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Best personal regards, </div>
<div dir="ltr">Greg </div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">(Marc -please correct me if I am wrong) </div>
<div dir="ltr">(Everyone else - I don’t mean to enter any
sort of political debate here about anything - just
trying to put Marc’s statement into context for our
European colleagues. )</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Jul 2, 2023, at 12:51 PM, <a
href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a>
via Personal_Submersibles <a
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wrote:<br>
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<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">Marc,
what means "Despite its heavy leftism" ? </span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">And
how can a sounding system help you on a fiber with
the elastic behaviour of glass?</span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">Carsten</span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none"> </span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style="margin:0px">Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
Titan submersible missing at Titanic site</p>
<p style="margin:0px">Datum: 2023-07-02T07:01:28+0200</p>
<p style="margin:0px">Von: "Marc de Piolenc via
Personal_Submersibles" <a
href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><personal_submersibles@psubs.org></a></p>
<p style="margin:0px">An: <a
href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.deviaPersonal_Submersibles"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">"MerlinSub@t-online.de
via Personal_Submersibles"</a> <a
href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><personal_submersibles@psubs.org></a></p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
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<p style="margin:0px">And the character
assassination and innuendos are running full
blast. Despite its heavy leftism, I would have
expected something more like journalistic
integrity from The New Yorker.</p>
<p style="margin:0px">The article did reveal one
fact that I had not seen, namely that the
occupants had time enough to release weights
before the fatal implosion. The acoustic sensors
did work, but did not give sufficient margin.</p>
<p style="margin:0px">The rest is essentially
irrelevant but damaging floss. Endless harping
about the controller, which was completely
irrelevant to this accident, as the author and his
informants must have known.</p>
<p style="margin:0px">Marc de Piolenc</p>
<div>On 7/2/2023 3:53 AM, <a
href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a>
via Personal_Submersibles wrote:</div>
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<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none"><a
href="https://www.newyorker.com/news/a-reporter-at-large/the-titan-submersible-was-an-accident-waiting-to-happen?fbclid=IwAR0CN7CyK3Ok72HX4Mf0n6sB6uc95sE-nH5_N1KDrqA5XHU1vx_k8eUCbfo"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">The
Titan Submersible Implosion Was “an Accident
Waiting to Happen” | The New Yorker</a></span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">Best
insider description so far. </span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">Carsten</span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none"> </span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style="margin:0px">Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
Titan submersible missing at Titanic site</p>
<p style="margin:0px">Datum:
2023-07-01T12:13:41+0200</p>
<p style="margin:0px">Von: <a
href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.deviaPersonal_Submersibles"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">"MerlinSub@t-online.de
via Personal_Submersibles"</a> <a
href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><personal_submersibles@psubs.org></a></p>
<p style="margin:0px">An: "Personal Submersibles
General Discussion" <a
href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><personal_submersibles@psubs.org></a></p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font:12px
Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">I
have done the calculation again for a
spherical shell sector window with conical
edge 160Mpa and CF 4.</span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">According
to this, a window with 530/376 & 60°
would have to be<br>
would have a wall thickness of 161 mm -
according to photos it was 140 mm at 60° or
110 mm at a 90° fit. <br>
A 90° window would have needed 132 mm
thickness according to the code. <br>
Now.. 140 to 161 mm or 110 to 132 mm is not
far off - and considering the window was
inside straight - means there was more
material there. </span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">I
now think the window was OK from a pressure
design point of view. To be precise you
would need a cross-section drawing with the
real geometry.</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">Carsten</span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none"> </span></p>
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<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style="margin:0px">Betreff: Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] Titan submersible missing at
Titanic site</p>
<p style="margin:0px">Datum:
2023-06-30T22:29:35+0200</p>
<p style="margin:0px">Von: <a
href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.deviaPersonal_Submersibles"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">"MerlinSub@t-online.de
via Personal_Submersibles"</a> <a
href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><personal_submersibles@psubs.org></a></p>
<p style="margin:0px">An: "Personal Submersibles
General Discussion" <a
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<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font:12px
Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">If
I use these 120 mm (STCP) and a CF of 4
it was good for around 1000 m. </span></p>
<p style="margin:0px">With 120 mm thickness it
was at collapse deep. </p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px">Carsten</p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
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<p style="margin:0px">Betreff: Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] Titan submersible missing at
Titanic site</p>
<p style="margin:0px">Datum:
2023-06-30T22:18:31+0200</p>
<p style="margin:0px">Von: <a
href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.deviaPersonal_Submersibles"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">"MerlinSub@t-online.de
via Personal_Submersibles"</a> <a
href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
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<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">I
found a much better picture and correct
the figures as follow:</span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px">Diameter hull
1600 mm (given) </p>
<p style="margin:0px">Diameter front
porthole outside 614 mm</p>
<p style="margin:0px">Diameter front
porthole inside 436 mm </p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px">But given with the
outer window diamter given by Jon of just
530 I come to </p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px">Diameter hull
1381mm</p>
<p style="margin:0px">Diameter front
porthole outside 530 mm (given)</p>
<p style="margin:0px">Diameter front
porthole inside 376 mm </p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px">If I do with the 530 /
376 a little reverse enginering on a
conical seat of 60°</p>
<p style="margin:0px">I come to a thickness
of just 120 mm for a inside and outside
flat conical frustrum window. </p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px">According to
PVHO-1-1987 t /Di = 0,348 with t =
0,348 x 376 mm = 162 mm at 40 Mpa (4000m)</p>
<p style="margin:0px">(for Short term
critical presssure) </p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px">But from Jon's picture
it seems more a Sperical Sector Window
with Conical Edge. and flat inside. </p>
<p style="margin:0px">The code has no
figures for such a window. </p>
<p style="margin:0px">But if I use for
Sherical Shell windows t/di shall 0,195
means t = 0,195 x 376 = 73 mm</p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px">To be diplomatic I
just mix up the flat with the sperhical
and got (162 + 73) / 2 = 117,5 mm </p>
<p style="margin:0px">(for Short term
critical presssure) </p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px">The code says if you
have not a standard geometrie - you have
to test 5 windows to destroy dephs </p>
<p style="margin:0px">and use the lowest
failture pressure for your calculation. </p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px">Carsten</p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">. </span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none"> </span></p>
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<p style="margin:0px">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style="margin:0px">Betreff: Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] Titan submersible missing
at Titanic site</p>
<p style="margin:0px">Datum:
2023-06-30T16:11:40+0200</p>
<p style="margin:0px">Von: "Antoine
Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles" <a
href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><personal_submersibles@psubs.org></a></p>
<p style="margin:0px">An: "Personal
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<div dir="ltr">Hello Carsten,
<div> </div>
<div>for the thickness, I read that the
viewport should have been rated for
1300meters depth, so I think that the
designer designed for a short term
critical pressure of 5200m/52MPa, and
perhaps thought it would be fine using
a 1.3X margin to get to 4000m rather
than the 4X margin we can find in
Stachiw book and PVHO rules for low
temperatures (to be checked but I
believe it is 4x). </div>
<div> </div>
<div>regards</div>
<div>Antoine</div>
</div>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On
Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 4:03 PM <a
href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a>
via Personal_Submersibles <<a
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target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
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wrote:</div>
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<div>
<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">I
check out some pictures and
based on a given length of
6500mm </span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">I
come to the following rough
figures: </span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">Diameter
hull
1600 mm</span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">Diameter
front porthole outside
700 mm</span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">Diameter
front porthole inside
466 mm </span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">(these
diameters indicate that the
porthole could be original
designed as entrance..)</span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">Now
idear about the thickness of the
acrylic </span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">-
but will check out PHSME about
standard flange angles tonight. </span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">Carsten</span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none"> </span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style="margin:0px">Betreff: Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] Titan submersible
missing at Titanic site</p>
<p style="margin:0px">Datum:
2023-06-30T15:31:14+0200</p>
<p style="margin:0px">Von: "<a
href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a>
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<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">For
me it looks like the biggest
diameter porthole used in that
deep. </span></p>
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<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">Has
somebody here inner and outer
diameter and the thickness?</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">Carsten</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0px">Betreff: Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] Titan
submersible missing at Titanic
site</p>
<p style="margin:0px">Datum:
2023-06-29T21:11:55+0200</p>
<p style="margin:0px">Von: "Jon
Wallace via
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<p style="margin:0px">An:
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<div dir="ltr">The pictures of
Titan that I see in water
show 16 bolts holding the
retaining ring in place.
See attached photo.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Jon</div>
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<div>On Thursday, June 29,
2023 at 11:49:18 AM EDT, <a
href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a>
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<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">I
have seen a video
how they make the
carbon cylinder
and can imagine
that the boat
imploded in
longitudinal
direction. </span></p>
<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">Create
a massive shock
wave with push the
window out (not
in). As I saw in
another video the
window was hold by
only 4 bolts
outside. </span></p>
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<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">All
titan parts in the
video seems
undamaged. </span></p>
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<p style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none">Carsten</span></p>
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