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    <p>That's it, except that Left bias in the media goes back long
      before COVID.</p>
    <p>Marc de Piolenc<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/3/2023 6:34 AM, Gregory Snyder via
      Personal_Submersibles wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi Carsten!</div>
      <div dir="ltr">I think I can address what Marc is referring to in
        his “despite its heavy leftism” comment. </div>
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      <div dir="ltr">Right now the media in the United States is
        horribly broken to the point that we really don’t have any news
        organizations that tell news.  Rather they find a few items that
        they will consider “facts” and they will create a narrative of
        “this is the truth and everything else is a lie” commentary.
         Very frustrating for the average citizen who just wants to stay
        informed.  </div>
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      <div dir="ltr">The same exact event will have two distinctly
        separate approaches to how it is represented in the media. </div>
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      <div dir="ltr">It is fairly awful.  </div>
      <div dir="ltr">This is compounded by the multiple events over the
        past few years where the government was openly lying ( or
        protecting the public from the truth) about Covid, it’s origin
        and possible treatments - and the American people have lost
        faith in the government AND the media.  </div>
      <div dir="ltr">Only made worse by the government directly
        involving itself in social media to control what can be and will
        be allowed to be discussed.  </div>
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      <div dir="ltr">Marc’s initial comment “despite its heavy leftism”
        was to acknowledge that the magazine is typically viewed as
        having opinions that would only be endorsed by 1/2 of the
        country  and that it would be typical tactics in their
        journalistic integrity to demean the person involved and not
        address facts of the case.  </div>
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      <div dir="ltr">He was saying “even though recent history of this
        magazine would let us know they are going to do a bad job, they
        did an even worse job than expected.”  </div>
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      <div dir="ltr">I personally get my news from the BBC. </div>
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      <div dir="ltr">At least I’m digesting someone else’s propaganda. </div>
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      <div dir="ltr">Our system is broken. </div>
      <div dir="ltr">Most normal Americans realize it but are powerless
        to stop it.  </div>
      <div dir="ltr">For a time when we have almost the best of
        everything in history, we are busy creating our own conflicts
        and racial divides because it serves the major political
        parties. </div>
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      <div dir="ltr">My father passed away last year at almost 94 years
        old. </div>
      <div dir="ltr">He told me once, “Son, the world is going to hell,
        but I’m getting out in time.” </div>
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      <div dir="ltr">The older I get.  The more I embrace that
        sentiment.  </div>
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      <div dir="ltr">AND…you still have the most awesome personal
        submersible I have ever seen. </div>
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      <div dir="ltr">Best personal regards, </div>
      <div dir="ltr">Greg </div>
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      <div dir="ltr">(Marc -please correct me if I am wrong) </div>
      <div dir="ltr">(Everyone else - I don’t mean to enter any sort of
        political debate here about anything - just trying to put Marc’s
        statement into context for our European colleagues. )</div>
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        <blockquote type="cite">On Jul 2, 2023, at 12:51 PM,
          <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a> via Personal_Submersibles
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"><personal_submersibles@psubs.org></a> wrote:<br>
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          <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Marc,
              what means "Despite its heavy leftism" ? </span></p>
          <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
          <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">And
              how can a sounding system help you on a fiber with the
              elastic behaviour of glass?</span></p>
          <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
          <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Carsten</span></p>
          <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
          <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none"> </span></p>
          <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
          <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
          <p style="margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
          <p style="margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Titan
            submersible missing at Titanic site</p>
          <p style="margin: 0px;">Datum: 2023-07-02T07:01:28+0200</p>
          <p style="margin: 0px;">Von: "Marc de Piolenc via
            Personal_Submersibles"
            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"><personal_submersibles@psubs.org></a></p>
          <p style="margin: 0px;">An: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.deviaPersonal_Submersibles">"MerlinSub@t-online.de via
            Personal_Submersibles"</a>
            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"><personal_submersibles@psubs.org></a></p>
          <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
          <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
          <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
          <div style="position: relative; color: #000000; font: 12px
            Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">
            <p style="margin: 0px;">And the character assassination and
              innuendos are running full blast. Despite its heavy
              leftism, I would have expected something more like
              journalistic integrity from The New Yorker.</p>
            <p style="margin: 0px;">The article did reveal one fact that
              I had not seen, namely that the occupants had time enough
              to release weights before the fatal implosion. The
              acoustic sensors did work, but did not give sufficient
              margin.</p>
            <p style="margin: 0px;">The rest is essentially irrelevant
              but damaging floss. Endless harping about the controller,
              which was completely irrelevant to this accident, as the
              author and his informants must have known.</p>
            <p style="margin: 0px;">Marc de Piolenc</p>
            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/2/2023 3:53 AM, <a
                class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext"
                href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de"
                moz-do-not-send="true">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a> via
              Personal_Submersibles wrote:</div>
            <blockquote
cite="mid:1688241192872.262605.a56b61161d2e166ba9039b73c2dbfec9ddc526b8@spica.telekom.de">
              <p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family:
                  arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
                  #000000; text-decoration: none;"><a
href="https://www.newyorker.com/news/a-reporter-at-large/the-titan-submersible-was-an-accident-waiting-to-happen?fbclid=IwAR0CN7CyK3Ok72HX4Mf0n6sB6uc95sE-nH5_N1KDrqA5XHU1vx_k8eUCbfo"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">The Titan Submersible
                    Implosion Was “an Accident Waiting to Happen” | The
                    New Yorker</a></span></p>
              <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
              <p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family:
                  arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
                  #000000; text-decoration: none;">Best insider
                  description so far. </span></p>
              <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
              <p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family:
                  arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
                  #000000; text-decoration: none;">Carsten</span></p>
              <p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family:
                  arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
                  #000000; text-decoration: none;"> </span></p>
              <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
              <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
              <p style="margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
              <p style="margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Titan
                submersible missing at Titanic site</p>
              <p style="margin: 0px;">Datum: 2023-07-01T12:13:41+0200</p>
              <p style="margin: 0px;">Von: <a
                  class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                  href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.deviaPersonal_Submersibles"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">"MerlinSub@t-online.de via
                  Personal_Submersibles"</a> <a
                  class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                  href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"><personal_submersibles@psubs.org></a></p>
              <p style="margin: 0px;">An: "Personal Submersibles General
                Discussion" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                  href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"><personal_submersibles@psubs.org></a></p>
              <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
              <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
              <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
              <div style="position: relative; color: #000000; font: 12px
                Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">
                <p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family:
                    arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
                    #000000; text-decoration: none;">I have done the
                    calculation again for a spherical shell sector
                    window with conical edge 160Mpa and CF 4.</span></p>
                <p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family:
                    arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
                    #000000; text-decoration: none;">According to this,
                    a window with 530/376 & 60° would have to be<br>
                    would have a wall thickness of 161 mm - according to
                    photos it was 140 mm at 60° or 110 mm at a 90° fit.
                    <br>
                    A 90° window would have needed 132 mm thickness
                    according to the code. <br>
                    Now.. 140 to 161 mm or 110 to 132 mm is not far off
                    - and considering the window was inside straight -
                    means there was more material there. </span></p>
                <p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family:
                    arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
                    #000000; text-decoration: none;">I now think the
                    window was OK from a pressure design point of view.
                    To be precise you would need a cross-section drawing
                    with the real geometry.</span></p>
                <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                <p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family:
                    arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
                    #000000; text-decoration: none;">Carsten</span></p>
                <p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family:
                    arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color:
                    #000000; text-decoration: none;"> </span></p>
                <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                <p style="margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
                <p style="margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
                  Titan submersible missing at Titanic site</p>
                <p style="margin: 0px;">Datum: 2023-06-30T22:29:35+0200</p>
                <p style="margin: 0px;">Von: <a
                    class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                    href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.deviaPersonal_Submersibles"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">"MerlinSub@t-online.de via
                    Personal_Submersibles"</a> <a
                    class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                    href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true"><personal_submersibles@psubs.org></a></p>
                <p style="margin: 0px;">An: "Personal Submersibles
                  General Discussion" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                    href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true"><personal_submersibles@psubs.org></a></p>
                <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
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                  12px Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">
                  <p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family:
                      arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;
                      color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">If I use
                      these 120 mm (STCP) and a CF of 4  it was good for
                      around 1000 m. </span></p>
                  <p style="margin: 0px;">With 120 mm thickness it was
                    at collapse deep. </p>
                  <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                  <p style="margin: 0px;">Carsten</p>
                  <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                  <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                  <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                  <p style="margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
                  <p style="margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
                    Titan submersible missing at Titanic site</p>
                  <p style="margin: 0px;">Datum:
                    2023-06-30T22:18:31+0200</p>
                  <p style="margin: 0px;">Von: <a
                      class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                      href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.deviaPersonal_Submersibles"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">"MerlinSub@t-online.de via
                      Personal_Submersibles"</a> <a
                      class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                      href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><personal_submersibles@psubs.org></a></p>
                  <p style="margin: 0px;">An: "Personal Submersibles
                    General Discussion" <a
                      class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                      href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><personal_submersibles@psubs.org></a></p>
                  <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                  <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                  <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
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                    12px Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">
                    <p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family:
                        arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;
                        color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">I found
                        a much better picture and correct the figures as
                        follow:</span></p>
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                    <p style="margin: 0px;">Diameter hull               
                                         1600 mm (given) </p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;">Diameter front porthole
                      outside         614 mm</p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;">Diameter front porthole
                      inside           436 mm </p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;">But given with the outer
                      window diamter given by Jon of just 530 I come to </p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;">Diameter hull               
                                         1381mm</p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;">Diameter front porthole
                      outside         530 mm (given)</p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;">Diameter front porthole
                      inside           376 mm </p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;">If I do with the 530 / 376 a
                      little reverse enginering on a conical seat of 60°</p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;">I come to a thickness of
                      just 120 mm for a inside and outside flat  conical
                      frustrum window.  </p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;">According to PVHO-1-1987  t
                      /Di = 0,348  with  t = 0,348 x 376 mm = 162 mm at
                      40 Mpa (4000m)</p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;">(for Short term critical
                      presssure) </p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;">But from Jon's picture it
                      seems more a Sperical Sector Window with Conical
                      Edge. and flat inside. </p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;">The code has no figures for
                      such a window. </p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;">But if I use for Sherical
                      Shell windows t/di shall 0,195 means t =  0,195 x
                      376 = 73 mm</p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;">To be diplomatic I just mix
                      up the flat with the sperhical and got (162 + 73)
                      / 2 = 117,5 mm  </p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;">(for Short term critical
                      presssure) </p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;">The code says if you have
                      not a standard geometrie - you have to test 5
                      windows to destroy dephs </p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;">and use the lowest failture
                      pressure for your calculation. </p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;">Carsten</p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family:
                        arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;
                        color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">. </span></p>
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                        arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;
                        color: #000000; text-decoration: none;"> </span></p>
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                    <p style="margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
                      Titan submersible missing at Titanic site</p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;">Datum:
                      2023-06-30T16:11:40+0200</p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;">Von: "Antoine Delafargue via
                      Personal_Submersibles" <a
                        class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                        href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><personal_submersibles@psubs.org></a></p>
                    <p style="margin: 0px;">An: "Personal Submersibles
                      General Discussion" <a
                        class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                        href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><personal_submersibles@psubs.org></a></p>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Hello Carsten, 
                        <div> </div>
                        <div>for the thickness, I read that the viewport
                          should have been rated for 1300meters depth,
                          so I think that the designer designed for a
                          short term critical pressure of 5200m/52MPa,
                          and perhaps thought it would be fine using a
                          1.3X margin to get to 4000m rather than the 4X
                          margin we can find in Stachiw book and PVHO
                          rules for low temperatures (to be checked but
                          I believe it is 4x). </div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div>regards</div>
                        <div>Antoine</div>
                      </div>
                      <br>
                      <div class="gmail_quote">
                        <div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, Jun
                          30, 2023 at 4:03 PM <a
                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                            href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a>
                          via Personal_Submersibles <<a
                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                            href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>
                          wrote:</div>
                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:
                          0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid
                          #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;">
                          <div>
                            <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
                                style="font-family:
                                arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:
                                10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration:
                                none;">I check out some pictures and
                                based on a given length of 6500mm </span></p>
                            <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
                                style="font-family:
                                arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:
                                10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration:
                                none;">I come to the following rough
                                figures: </span></p>
                            <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                            <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
                                style="font-family:
                                arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:
                                10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration:
                                none;">Diameter hull                   
                                               1600 mm</span></p>
                            <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
                                style="font-family:
                                arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:
                                10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration:
                                none;">Diameter front porthole outside 
                                       700 mm</span></p>
                            <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
                                style="font-family:
                                arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:
                                10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration:
                                none;">Diameter front porthole inside   
                                        466 mm </span></p>
                            <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
                                style="font-family:
                                arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:
                                10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration:
                                none;">(these diameters indicate that
                                the porthole could be original designed
                                as entrance..)</span></p>
                            <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                            <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                            <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
                                style="font-family:
                                arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:
                                10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration:
                                none;">Now idear about the thickness of
                                the acrylic </span></p>
                            <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
                                style="font-family:
                                arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:
                                10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration:
                                none;">- but will check out PHSME about
                                standard flange angles tonight. </span></p>
                            <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                            <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
                                style="font-family:
                                arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:
                                10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration:
                                none;">Carsten</span></p>
                            <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                            <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
                                style="font-family:
                                arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:
                                10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration:
                                none;"> </span></p>
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                            <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                            <p style="margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
                            <p style="margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re:
                              [PSUBS-MAILIST] Titan submersible missing
                              at Titanic site</p>
                            <p style="margin: 0px;">Datum:
                              2023-06-30T15:31:14+0200</p>
                            <p style="margin: 0px;">Von: "<a
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                                href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a>
                              via Personal_Submersibles" <<a
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                                href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></p>
                            <p style="margin: 0px;">An: "Personal
                              Submersibles General Discussion" <<a
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                                href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></p>
                            <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                            <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                            <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                            <div style="color: #000000; font: 12px
                              Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">
                              <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
                                  style="font-family:
                                  arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:
                                  10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration:
                                  none;">For me it looks like the
                                  biggest diameter porthole used in that
                                  deep. </span></p>
                              <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                              <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
                                  style="font-family:
                                  arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:
                                  10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration:
                                  none;">Has somebody here inner and
                                  outer diameter and the thickness?</span></p>
                              <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                              <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
                                  style="font-family:
                                  arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:
                                  10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration:
                                  none;">Carsten</span></p>
                              <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
                                  style="font-family:
                                  arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:
                                  10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration:
                                  none;"> </span></p>
                              <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                              <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                              <p style="margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
                              <p style="margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re:
                                [PSUBS-MAILIST] Titan submersible
                                missing at Titanic site</p>
                              <p style="margin: 0px;">Datum:
                                2023-06-29T21:11:55+0200</p>
                              <p style="margin: 0px;">Von: "Jon Wallace
                                via Personal_Submersibles" <<a
                                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                                  href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></p>
                              <p style="margin: 0px;">An: "Personal
                                Submersibles General Discussion" <<a
                                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                                  href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></p>
                              <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
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                              <div style="color: #000000; font: 12px
                                Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">
                                <div style="font-family: &quot;
                                  times new
                                  roman&quot;,&quot;new
                                  york&quot;,times,serif;font-size:
                                  16px;">
                                  <div> </div>
                                  <div dir="ltr">The pictures of Titan
                                    that I see in water show 16 bolts
                                    holding the retaining ring in
                                    place.  See attached photo.</div>
                                  <div dir="ltr"> </div>
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                                  <div dir="ltr">Jon</div>
                                  <div dir="ltr"> </div>
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                                  <div style="font-family: &quot;
                                    helvetica
                                    neue&quot;,helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:
                                    13px; color: #26282a;">
                                    <div>On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at
                                      11:49:18 AM EDT, <a
                                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                                        href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a>
                                      via Personal_Submersibles <<a
                                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                                        href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>
                                      wrote:</div>
                                    <div> </div>
                                    <div> </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
                                              style="font-family:
                                              arial,helvetica,sans-serif;
                                              font-size: 10pt; color:
                                              #000000; text-decoration:
                                              none;">I have seen a video
                                              how they make the carbon
                                              cylinder and can imagine
                                              that the boat imploded in
                                              longitudinal direction. </span></p>
                                          <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
                                              style="font-family:
                                              arial,helvetica,sans-serif;
                                              font-size: 10pt; color:
                                              #000000; text-decoration:
                                              none;">Create a massive
                                              shock wave with push the
                                              window out (not in). As I
                                              saw in another video the
                                              window was hold by only 4
                                              bolts outside. </span></p>
                                          <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                                          <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
                                              style="font-family:
                                              arial,helvetica,sans-serif;
                                              font-size: 10pt; color:
                                              #000000; text-decoration:
                                              none;">All titan parts in
                                              the video seems
                                              undamaged. </span></p>
                                          <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
                                          <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
                                              style="font-family:
                                              arial,helvetica,sans-serif;
                                              font-size: 10pt; color:
                                              #000000; text-decoration:
                                              none;">Carsten</span></p>
                                          <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
                                              style="font-family:
                                              arial,helvetica,sans-serif;
                                              font-size: 10pt; color:
                                              #000000; text-decoration:
                                              none;"> </span></p>
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