<div dir="ltr">I di it 20 years ago, bought the plans and some books, the page and group still alive thanks to members.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El mié, 21 jul 2021 a las 7:13, quinn via Personal_Submersibles (<<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>) escribió:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Thanks Cliff,</div><div dir="ltr">I have a copy of Manned Submersibles and it’s been an excellent resource, haven’t checked out the ABS rules yet but I’m aware of them. And yes, I’d love to come see your sub! The rest of the summer is pretty hectic but maybe some time in September or October. I’ll reach out to you.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Jon, I apologize if my original email caused offense, I sincerely didn’t mean it to. Calling the website barren and dated wasn’t a good choice of words and doesn’t accurately reflect my opinion of it. It’s a good website and I’ve seen some of the resources you mentioned. I was also unaware that Facebook is the organizations real front page. Thanks for all the info and I appreciate your reply.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Quinn</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 21, 2021, at 07:49, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16px"><div></div>
<div dir="ltr">Quinn, welcome aboard. Always glad to have another Texas Psubber. Best way to climb the learning curve on Psub design is to track down a copy of "Manned Submersibles" by R. Brank Busby. While the book is a bit old, having been written in 1976, it is still a great resource on understanding required ship systems and calculations required for a psub. Another great book is <span><a href="https://ww2.eagle.org/content/dam/eagle/rules-and-guides/current/special_service/7_rulesforbuildingandclassingunderwatervehiclessystemsandhyperbaricfacilities_2021/uwvs-rules-jan21.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Rules for Building and Classing Underwater Vehicles, Systems and Hyperbaric Facilities 2021 (eagle.org)</a> There has never been a fatality of a ABS classed psub.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> Contact me offline at <a href="mailto:cliffordredus@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">cliffordredus@sbcglobal.net</a> to arrange a visit if your are interested in seeing a small psub.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Cliff</div><div><br></div>
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On Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 02:19:29 AM CDT, quinn via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:
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<div><div id="gmail-m_-7649206576586379115ydpd7e2f099yiv8520230670"><div><div dir="ltr"></div></div><div><div dir="ltr">Hi Alan,</div><div dir="ltr">I’m in Texas, USA. A long way from NZ! </div><div dir="ltr">Right now I’d say the sub I’d like to build is in the gestational/ideation phase: 2-3 person, ~150m capable, 8-10 hour operational duration. There are a some 30-60m lakes within a couple hours of me but I’d eventually like to do ocean exploring as well.</div><div dir="ltr">I have some rudimentary drawings I’ve made over the last year or so that I’m just beginning to throw math at, but nothing remotely finalized yet. I’d like to increase my <i>very</i> <i>basic</i> knowledge in CAD/3D design to better facilitate the process.</div><div dir="ltr">Believe it or not I’ve actually never been on Facebook and it’s not something I’m willing to engage in, so email chain it is then! I’ll try not to pester the group too much!</div><div dir="ltr">Thanks for the quick response, Alan!</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Quinn</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><div id="gmail-m_-7649206576586379115ydpd7e2f099yiv8520230670yqtfd81395"><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 20, 2021, at 23:05, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></blockquote></div></div><div id="gmail-m_-7649206576586379115ydpd7e2f099yiv8520230670yqtfd06788"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div></div>
<div>Hi Quinn, </div><div>Congratulations on finding us. </div><div>I am not the administrator, just a regular on the site. </div><div>Yes the discussion part of the web site is pretty well dead. It should be removed or maybe kept as a resource only. I messaged there when I first joined years ago and fortunately someone directed me on to this email forum. </div><div>We are operating a bit more on Facebook. </div><div>Under Personal Submersibles Organization</div><div>I tried but couldn't copy the link. If you have</div><div> trouble finding it let me know. </div><div>As for fees, I'm not sure what's happening with them. I believe they weren't compulsory. </div><div>I have paid them in the past but haven't had a reminder for ages.. </div><div>You couldn't come to a better place if you are building a home made sub. Plenty of experience from members from around the Globe. </div><div>What part of the World are you living in? (I am from New Zealand) and what sort of sub were you wanting to build?</div><div>Alan</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div>
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On Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 03:18:17 PM GMT+12, quinn via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:
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