<div dir="auto">I know that TowboatUS in miami has several crane-equipped barges and small flat-decked tugs that are available for rent. They have an overview of their fleet on their website. Someone should look into what a weekends charter would cost, how many subs could be carried, and what the approximate cost-per-dive would be. You could probably get 12 hours per day of diving, barring bad weather.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Ideally, any operation in the keys would avoid the hot tropical weather of high-summer and late-summer to winter hurricane season<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">River J Dolfi<br><a href="mailto:Rdolfi7@gmail.com">Rdolfi7@gmail.com</a> <br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 6:11 PM via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: PC2021 (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles)<br>
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 20:53:47 +0000 (UTC)<br>
From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles<br>
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Jon, I would be willing to split the barge cost.? Say we had 10 members attend, that would cut this to $250 each.? My experience with R300 diving off Islamorada is the tow out is a killer and time consuming.? Also the best diving is off the wall which is on the order of 5 miles off the coast. Water visibility improved remarkably as you got near the drop off.? With Shackleton coming, this changes things a bit in that she can be towed out unmanned and swap out passengers over the dive site.? But for smaller boats, a barge would make life a lot better.? It would be great if you could get an update and cost and availability of this barge you are talking about.<br>
Diving on one or more of the wrecks you note sounds great.<br>
Everyone coming in for the convention will come through Miami which is near Sebastian.? Maybe we would arrange a tour of Triton on the first afternoon as people make their way to Islamorada.<br>
Cliff<br>
On Wednesday, January 6, 2021, 02:14:40 PM CST, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote: <br>
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Speigel Grove and Duane are the two larger ships forming artificial reefs in the Keys.? Both are about 6-7 miles East of Key Largo.? The biggest is the Vandenburg 7 miles southeast of Key West.? Key Largo is a 15 minute drive from Islamorada, Key West is 2-hour drive from Islamorada.<br>
The estimate I got for a barge (with crane up to 5000 pound load) in the Keys was $2500/day.? He was out of Big Pine Key which an hour drive from Islamorada.? He thought he could fit three subs but I believe I saw the barge in Key Largo last year and it looked to me like it would fit two.? Maybe the one he was referencing was a larger barge.? I don't recall how much room there was left for observers/divers once the subs are loaded but can find out.? If you're really serious I can inquire again but it's not going to be cheap.<br>
I'm going through Sebastion on my way south so maybe I'll stop into Triton and talk with them if my schedule allows it, otherwise I'll call later and ask if they would be willing to host a tour there.? It's a good 4.5 hour drive to Sebastian from the Keys so might make sense to have an overnight there or just seek individual tours when you are arrive or leave the state.<br>
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On Wednesday, January 6, 2021, 12:05:02 PM EST, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote: <br>
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David, the wreck dive we discussed is the USS Oriskany.? It is about 20 miles south of Pensacola Florida in about 200 ft of water so out for as a possible dive location for PC2021.? Wow, California to the Keys with a sub, I thought Texas to the Keys was long!? How are you planning to transport the sub?<br>
Jon, I like October for PC2021.? Last couple of summer Psub conventions have been very hot during on tows.? It also gives more time for getting the Covid 19 under control.? I like the idea of splitting the cost to rent a barge that we could load out a sub and tow to a dive site over a wreck. It would be great if the Suhr's could host again.? Doug's Boston Whaler was terrific as tender and their place was an absolutely perfect base.? (No pressure Doug)<br>
I would like to see us plan an excursion to Triton subs in?Sebastian,?Florida.<br>
Cliff<br>
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One cautionary note on the wrecks. We've researched that in the past, and<br>
you will find some videos in which the current has divers flapping in the<br>
wind, while in others at the same dive site all is calm. Apparently the<br>
current is just highly variable and just depends on the day.<br>
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:54 PM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <<br>
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> Jon, I would be willing to split the barge cost. Say we had 10 members<br>
> attend, that would cut this to $250 each. My experience with R300 diving<br>
> off Islamorada is the tow out is a killer and time consuming. Also the<br>
> best diving is off the wall which is on the order of 5 miles off the coast.<br>
> Water visibility improved remarkably as you got near the drop off. With<br>
> Shackleton coming, this changes things a bit in that she can be towed out<br>
> unmanned and swap out passengers over the dive site. But for smaller<br>
> boats, a barge would make life a lot better. It would be great if you<br>
> could get an update and cost and availability of this barge you are talking<br>
> about.<br>
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> Diving on one or more of the wrecks you note sounds great.<br>
><br>
> Everyone coming in for the convention will come through Miami which is<br>
> near Sebastian. Maybe we would arrange a tour of Triton on the first<br>
> afternoon as people make their way to Islamorada.<br>
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> Cliff<br>
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> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021, 02:14:40 PM CST, Jon Wallace via<br>
> Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Speigel Grove and Duane are the two larger ships forming artificial reefs<br>
> in the Keys. Both are about 6-7 miles East of Key Largo. The biggest is<br>
> the Vandenburg 7 miles southeast of Key West. Key Largo is a 15 minute<br>
> drive from Islamorada, Key West is 2-hour drive from Islamorada.<br>
><br>
> The estimate I got for a barge (with crane up to 5000 pound load) in the<br>
> Keys was $2500/day. He was out of Big Pine Key which an hour drive from<br>
> Islamorada. He thought he could fit three subs but I believe I saw the<br>
> barge in Key Largo last year and it looked to me like it would fit two.<br>
> Maybe the one he was referencing was a larger barge. I don't recall how<br>
> much room there was left for observers/divers once the subs are loaded but<br>
> can find out. If you're really serious I can inquire again but it's not<br>
> going to be cheap.<br>
><br>
> I'm going through Sebastion on my way south so maybe I'll stop into Triton<br>
> and talk with them if my schedule allows it, otherwise I'll call later and<br>
> ask if they would be willing to host a tour there. It's a good 4.5 hour<br>
> drive to Sebastian from the Keys so might make sense to have an overnight<br>
> there or just seek individual tours when you are arrive or leave the state.<br>
><br>
> Jon<br>
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> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021, 12:05:02 PM EST, Cliff Redus via<br>
> Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> David, the wreck dive we discussed is the USS Oriskany. It is about 20<br>
> miles south of Pensacola Florida in about 200 ft of water so out for as a<br>
> possible dive location for PC2021. Wow, California to the Keys with a sub,<br>
> I thought Texas to the Keys was long! How are you planning to transport<br>
> the sub?<br>
><br>
> Jon, I like October for PC2021. Last couple of summer Psub conventions<br>
> have been very hot during on tows. It also gives more time for getting the<br>
> Covid 19 under control. I like the idea of splitting the cost to rent a<br>
> barge that we could load out a sub and tow to a dive site over a wreck. It<br>
> would be great if the Suhr's could host again. Doug's Boston Whaler was<br>
> terrific as tender and their place was an absolutely perfect base. (No<br>
> pressure Doug)<br>
><br>
> I would like to see us plan an excursion to Triton subs in Sebastian,<br>
> Florida.<br>
><br>
> Cliff<br>
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