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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">David, yes the Trojan Trillium 110 is about 895 USD and that translates to just under 1500 Cad. I just checked in the US to se if it was cheaper but, it no cheaper after exchange. Also I can get these in Calgary Alberta and my kids live there. So it works for me unless someone finds bad reviews. Trojan is a trusted name and a US manufacturer, also ABS approved</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Hank</div><div><br></div>
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On Monday, October 19, 2020, 6:57:22 PM MDT, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:
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<div><div id="yiv6623323809"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Hank, is that the Trojan Trillium? I looked over their website and in their brochures with a claim of >5000 cycles to 80%DOD, I find no warranty information
. The Battleborn as an example at 12v 100Ah, 3500 cycles, has a 10 year warranty @ $995. <br clear="none"></div><div>Just curious as I am also looking at LIPO4 batteries.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv6623323809gmail_signature" dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Best Regards,<br clear="none">David Colombo<br clear="none"><img src="http://static.squarespace.com/static/533310a9e4b0fba62008a464/t/5339c1f2e4b041bac4e25d1b/1396294132055/?format=500w" width="200" height="110"><br clear="none">804 College Ave<br clear="none">Santa Rosa, CA. 95404<br clear="none">(707) 536-1424<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.SeaQuestor.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">www.SeaQuestor.com</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div><br clear="none"></div></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv6623323809gmail_quote"><div class="yiv6623323809yqt1853117946" id="yiv6623323809yqt54096"><div class="yiv6623323809gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 3:34 PM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="yiv6623323809gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div></div>
<div dir="ltr">Alan,</div><div dir="ltr">I need batteries for my project in the spring. The Trojans are ABS approved and 1,300 dollars Cad each. </div><div dir="ltr">They are pretty light for 110 amp hr. I think 23 lbs</div><div dir="ltr">Hank</div><div><br clear="none"></div>
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On Monday, October 19, 2020, 1:15:09 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:
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<div><div id="yiv6623323809gmail-m_4563818490865412051yiv9204115006"><div><div></div><div>Hank,</div><div>I have a 48V bank of lifePo4 batteries that I have been testing my thruster</div><div>with on an inflatable. I don't have a balance charger, but it's preferable!</div><div>All electric vehicles, scooters, bikes, skate boards etc seem to have them</div><div>these days. </div><div>Mine are fairly heavy.</div><div>If you can hold off a while, they are making great progress with the lithium </div><div>sulphur battery. These batteries already have 4 X the energy density of lithium</div><div>iron but they are working on upping the number of charge cycles.</div><div>Alan</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><div id="yiv6623323809gmail-m_4563818490865412051yiv9204115006yqtfd31067"><br clear="none">On 20/10/2020, at 5:45 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div><div id="yiv6623323809gmail-m_4563818490865412051yiv9204115006yqtfd88167"><blockquote type="cite"><div></div></blockquote></div></div><div id="yiv6623323809gmail-m_4563818490865412051yiv9204115006yqtfd25961"><div>Thanks guys. I think I steering toward Trojan at 12V and 110 ah<div>These are ABS certified for inside the occupant sphere. </div><div>I will keep looking and listening </div><div>Hank<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite">On Oct 19, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Jim via Personal_Submersibles <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"></div></blockquote></div></div><div><div dir="ltr"></div></div><div>Hank,<div>Nuytco switched to LiFePo4 several years ago; Phil said it was a “no-brainer” since the life span, charge cycles, energy density, etc. actually make them cheaper in the long run. In comparing capacity, remember that you can only discharge an AGM down to 50% or so without significant damage, whereas you can take Li down to 10%. The numbers can be misleading unless you make the proper adjustments in order to make an apples to apples comparison. Taking into account space and fit considerations, here is a size chart:</div><div><div style="font-size:16px;margin-bottom:16px;color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:arial, sans-serif;"><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-size:16px;margin-bottom:16px;color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:arial, sans-serif;">BCI Battery Group Size Chart</div><div style="overflow:hidden;padding-top:0px;padding-bottom:20px;color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><table style="table-layout:fixed;width:620px;border-collapse:collapse;"><tbody><tr style="border-bottom:1px solid rgb(235,235,235);"><th colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:26px;padding:8px 10px 8px 0px;font-weight:bolder;vertical-align:top;"><b>Group Size</b></th><th colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:26px;padding:8px 10px;font-weight:bolder;vertical-align:top;">LxWxH (inches)</th><th colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:26px;padding:8px 10px;font-weight:bolder;vertical-align:top;">LxWxH (cm)</th></tr><tr style="border-bottom:1px solid rgb(235,235,235);"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:26px;padding:8px 10px 8px 0px;"><b>Group</b> 24 <b>Batteries</b></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:26px;padding:8px 10px;">10.25 x 6.8125 x 8.875</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:26px;padding:8px 10px;">26 x 17.3 x 22.5</td></tr><tr style="border-bottom:1px solid rgb(235,235,235);"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:26px;padding:8px 10px 8px 0px;"><b>Group</b> 27 <b>Batteries</b></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:26px;padding:8px 10px;">12.0625 x 6.8125 x 8.875</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:26px;padding:8px 10px;">30.6 x 17.3 x 22.5</td></tr><tr style="border-bottom:1px solid rgb(235,235,235);"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:26px;padding:8px 10px 8px 0px;"><b>Group</b> 31 <b>Batteries</b></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:26px;padding:8px 10px;">13 x 6.8125 x 9.4375</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:26px;padding:8px 10px;">33 x 17.3 x 24</td></tr><tr style="border-bottom:1px solid rgb(235,235,235);"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:26px;padding:8px 10px 8px 0px;"><b>Group</b> 34 <b>Batteries</b></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:26px;padding:8px 10px;">10.25 x 6.8125 x 7.875</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:26px;padding:8px 10px;">26 x 17.3 x 20</td></tr></tbody></table></div>More info is available at <a shape="rect" href="http://www.batteryequivalents.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">www.batteryequivalents.com</a> </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>The fail point inside Li batteries seems to be the Battery Management System (BMS). On the cheaper batteries, the terminals, buss bars, and wiring are often under-sized. For a non-sub application my choice is Battle Born. They are a little more expensive than other 100 amp hour batteries in their class (about $950), but the construction and quality is certainly superior. <a shape="rect" href="http://www.battlebornbatteries.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">www.battlebornbatteries.com</a></div><div>They have some good videos including on on designing and sizing battery banks. </div><div>I’ll have to take a closer look at the info Cliff provided.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>On a related subject (again for a non-sub application), I started with a Bluetti AC200 all-in-one which includes Battery bank, a 2000W pure sine wave inverter and six 120v outlets. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>You can get a lot of good info on YouTube by searching Will Prowse. It’ll be interesting to see what you come up with.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Jim</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite">On Oct 19, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"></div>
<div dir="ltr">Hank, I have been doing a lot of research on this vary issue with my new boat, the R800. I really like the Valence U27-12xp lithium <span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;">Li FePO4 </span></span>battery. There is a least one commercial private sub that uses these battery modules. Do a search on YouTube for info/ teardowns on these batteries. What is good about them is battery chemistry is more stable than conventional LI batteries and heavy duty electronics. Not your typical crappy Chinese electronics. They come in a group 27 form factor with a nominal 12V with a built in BMS in each module. Each module has a 137AH capacity.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">These modules new are on the order of $2,500 each but are readily available on Ebay at $450 each. Each module has a life of 3000-4000 cycles with used modules on Ebay with 10-300 cycles so lots of life left in them. They are set up so that an overall BMS unit manages the entire pack interfacing with each modules interval BMS. These modules can be configured in just about any series/parallel arrangement you can think. For my boat, I am looking at 3S2P configuration, that is, 3 of these U27-12XP's in series with 2 banks, one in each pod in parallel. This would give a bank voltage of 36V and a bank capacity of 274AH or 9.9kWh. I am using 36V the main propulsion bank to mate with the Minn Kota 101 running at 36V nominal. IF you want more capacity, you would put more more in parallel, i.e., 3SnP where n=1, 2... I am also using these for the emergecy battery bank with a 0S2P configuration for 24V nominal.</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;">Communication with module and cells within each module is via. serial communication using RS-485. After a bank has been wired, you can connect a laptop an plug into the overall BMS and integrated each module on aspects such as number of cycles, cell voltage and temperature, current ...</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;">For PLC guys, because it uses standard RS-485 serial communication, the PLC can also interface with any are all of the modules. See for a quick overview.</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><a shape="rect" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRh2PVWRnsI" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Valence U-Charge XP Series Lithium Ion Batteries</a><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv6623323809gmail-m_4563818490865412051yiv9204115006ydp28340c8benhancr_card_3331105464" style="font-family:YahooSans, Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;max-width:400px;"><a shape="rect" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRh2PVWRnsI" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(0,0,0);" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><table style="max-width:400px;" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" width="400"><table style="max-width:400px;border-width:1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(224,228,233);border-radius:2px;" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="background-color:rgb(0,0,0);background-size:cover;border-radius:2px 2px 0px 0px;min-height:175px;" height="175" bgcolor="#000000"><table style="width:100%;" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="background-color:transparent;border-radius:2px 2px 0px 0px;min-height:175px;" bgcolor="transparent"><table style="width:100%;min-height:175px;" height="175" border="0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="text-align:left;padding:15px 0px 0px 15px;vertical-align:top;"></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="text-align:right;padding:15px 15px 0px 0px;vertical-align:top;"><div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"><table align="center" style="background:rgb(255,255,255) none repeat scroll 0% 0%;width:100%;max-width:400px;border-radius:0px 0px 2px 2px;border-top:1px solid rgb(224,228,233);" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);padding:16px 0px 16px 12px;vertical-align:top;border-radius:0px 0px 0px 2px;"><img src="https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/youtube.png" style="min-width:36px;margin-top:3px;" height="36"></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="vertical-align:middle;padding:12px 24px 16px 12px;width:99%;font-family:YahooSans, Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;border-radius:0px 0px 2px;"><h2 style="font-size:14px;line-height:19px;margin:0px 0px 6px;font-family:YahooSans, Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42);max-width:314px;">Valence U-Charge XP Series Lithium Ion Batteries</h2><p style="font-size:12px;line-height:16px;margin:0px;color:rgb(151,155,167);"></p></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></a></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;">On the downside of LI, it would be good to hear from Hugh Fulton, designer of the Q-Sub in New Zealand. The last time I spoke with Hugh he said that he was on his third set of LI batteries and was not a happy camper on the battery front. </div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;">As a comparison, below is a table of the Valence U27-XP compared with a Mighty Max ML110-12 AGM.</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div></div><div><table style="border-collapse:collapse;width:290pt;" width="386" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><colgroup span="1"><col span="1" style="width:136pt;" width="181"><col span="1" style="width:77pt;" width="102"><col span="1" style="width:77pt;" width="103"></colgroup><tbody><tr style="min-height:15pt;" height="20"><td colspan="3" rowspan="1" style="width:290pt;min-height:15pt;" width="386" height="20">Comparison - Valence U27-12XP and MightMax ML110-12</td></tr><tr style="min-height:15pt;" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:15pt;" height="20"></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"></td></tr><tr style="min-height:15pt;" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:15pt;" height="20">Description</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">U27-12XP</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">ML110-12</td></tr><tr style="min-height:15pt;" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:15pt;" height="20">Configuration</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">3S2P</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">3S2P</td></tr><tr style="min-height:15pt;" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:15pt;" height="20">Type</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">Li FePO4</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">AGM</td></tr><tr style="min-height:15pt;" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:15pt;" height="20">Group</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">27</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">30H</td></tr><tr style="min-height:15pt;" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:15pt;" height="20">Bank Voltage</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">36V</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">36V</td></tr><tr style="min-height:15pt;" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:15pt;" height="20">Capacity</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">276</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">220</td></tr><tr style="min-height:15pt;" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:15pt;" height="20">Watt Hours</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">9.9</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">7.9</td></tr><tr style="min-height:15pt;" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:15pt;" height="20">Max Discharge current</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">150A</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">900A</td></tr><tr style="min-height:15pt;" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:15pt;" height="20">Bank Cost (6 modules)</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">$2,700 used</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">$1,212 new</td></tr><tr style="min-height:15pt;" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:15pt;" height="20">Cycles</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">4000</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">500</td></tr><tr style="min-height:15pt;" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:15pt;" height="20">Weight (Lbs)</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">42.2</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">63.9</td></tr><tr style="min-height:15pt;" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:15pt;" height="20">Requires BMS</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">Yes</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">No</td></tr><tr style="min-height:15pt;" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:15pt;" height="20">Detailed cell sensors</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">YEs</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">No</td></tr><tr style="min-height:15pt;" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:15pt;" height="20">SOC measurement</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">Yes</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">No</td></tr><tr style="min-height:15pt;" height="20"><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="min-height:15pt;" height="20">Interface with PLC via RS485</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">Yes</td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1">No</td></tr></tbody></table></div><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;">For a shallow diving psub, the advantage of LI energy density as compared with AGM is not that important as we normally add lots of ballast but for a deep diver, you normally have much less ballast due to the added thickness of steel in the hull so the energy density becomes a very big advantage. For the comparison above you can see the weight of the <span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;">U27-12XP is 34% less than the <span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;">ML110-12 AGM.</span></span></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><br clear="none"></span></span></span></span></div><div dir="ltr">Let me know what you finally end up with. I am assuming this is for the E3000?</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><br clear="none"></span></span></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;">Cliff</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><br clear="none"></div>
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On Monday, October 19, 2020, 07:22:26 AM CDT, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:
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