<DIV style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif; font-size:10pt;"><FONT size="2">Alan, Or what I could do is inject it with nitrogen, rather than air.</FONT><DIV><FONT size="2"><BR></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size="2">Brian</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size="2"><BR></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size="2"><BR></FONT><BR><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt;">--- personal_submersibles@psubs.org wrote:</SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt;">From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org></SPAN><BR><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt;">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org></SPAN><BR><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt;">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] right side up compensator</SPAN><BR><SPAN style="font-size: 10pt;">Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 19:05:43 +1300</SPAN><BR><BR><DIV style="font-size: 10pt;"></DIV><DIV style="font-size: 10pt;">Brian,</DIV><DIV style="font-size: 10pt;">yes you could do that but it would require a regulator to give you ambient</DIV><DIV style="font-size: 10pt;">pressure & it would still be open to the water, which Sean advised against.</DIV><DIV style="font-size: 10pt;">I have 4 X 2nd stage regulators on my ambient. They are the octopus type </DIV><DIV style="font-size: 10pt;">that are less sensitive, cheaper & don't free flow. I took off the mouth piece</DIV><DIV style="font-size: 10pt;">& attached hose, then heated the outlet port plastic & inserted 2 PVC bends</DIV><DIV style="font-size: 10pt;">as shown. The bends helped keep water away from the outlet valves.</DIV><DIV style="font-size: 10pt;">But I consider the regulator that Cliff gave you a link to a much better option</DIV><DIV style="font-size: 10pt;">with less mucking round. </DIV><DIV style="font-size: 10pt;">Cliff used this successfully with an air compensated system. You can use it</DIV><DIV style="font-size: 10pt;">as an air over oil system & it will use much less air. </DIV><DIV style="font-size: 10pt;">That's what I am doing. Otherwise make something up from a truck or</DIV><DIV style="font-size: 10pt;">car boot like Oystein had on his ROV. It would be cheap & easy to do.</DIV><DIV style="font-size: 10pt;">Alan</DIV><DIV style="font-size: 10pt;"><IMG src="cid:20200329074938.C621C6B4@m0117567.ppops.net" alt="image1.JPG"><IMG src="cid:20200329074938.C621C6B5@m0117567.ppops.net" alt="image2.JPG"><BR></DIV><DIV style="font-size: 10pt;"><BR>On 29/03/2020, at 5:17 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE style="font-size: 10pt;"><DIV><DIV style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif; font-size:10pt;"><FONT size="2" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Alan, </FONT><DIV style=""><FONT size="2" style=""><FONT face="Arial, sans-serif"> If you were say at 33' and the water had at that point climbed all the way up the seawater tube, you could inject some air into the bottom of my reservoir and push all that water back out of the tube, then the next atmosphere you descended to the water would only go half as much further up the tube, and each subsequent atmosphere the same would be true. You could lengthen your bubble that way with hp air. </FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV style=""><FONT size="2" style=""><FONT face="Arial, sans-serif"><BR></FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV style=""><FONT size="2" style=""><FONT face="Arial, sans-serif">Brian</FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV style=""><FONT size="2" style=""><FONT face="Arial, sans-serif"><BR></FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV style=""><FONT size="2" style=""><FONT face="Arial, sans-serif"><BR></FONT></FONT><BR><SPAN style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">--- <A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A> wrote:</SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>></SPAN><BR><SPAN style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>></SPAN><BR><SPAN style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] right side up compensator</SPAN><BR><SPAN style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 08:34:43 +1300</SPAN><BR><BR><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">I like the ROV Oystein, well done.</DIV><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">That compensator would work well for Brian.</DIV><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Brian's problem is that he made his own thruster & housing which is a bit</DIV><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">of a beast in that it needs gallons of fluid to compensate it.</DIV><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">His concern is to have enough room for oil expansion which is an unknown</DIV><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">quantity. Personally I think he will get more expansion with it sitting out of</DIV><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">water in the sun than running underwater where oil circulating against the</DIV><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">large housing will keep it cool.</DIV><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Alan</DIV><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><BR></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><BR>On 29/03/2020, at 7:57 AM, Øystein Skarholm via Personal_Submersibles <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><DIV><DIV dir="ltr">Again, NEVER open the oil to contact the seawater. You WILL get water into the oil! Have the oil closed. Unless you have a piston in your riser tube, the air will flow straight out and water will come i. <DIV><DIV><image.png><BR></DIV></DIV><DIV>The idea to the left.....and the result to the right. Just trust me on this. </DIV><DIV>The below picture shows one of the ROV I have built. The canister in the center contains computers and power supply ++ 600Volt DC</DIV><DIV>The whole canister is filled with Shell Diala S4 oil (In the progress of changing to MIDEL ( Not so aggressive to the rubber and plastic parts. </DIV><DIV>I use a small bladder compensator for this (its far too big really, but came cheap off the shelve from an auto dealer shop) The little tee lets me inject oil through a check valve</DIV><DIV>until I get 0,2bar overpressure. The red cap in the end lid is the main filling bulkhead. </DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV><BR></DIV></DIV><DIV><BR> <TABLE style="border-top:1px solid #d3d4de">
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<DIV dir="ltr">I'm thinking we need someone to give a technical talk on this at our next convention. I'm not only confused but I guessing others are as well. I thought the simplest approach, from previous discussions, was just to use a length of hose connected to the oil filled motor on one end and open to water on the other end. See attachment. This allows expansion of oil into the hose (blue), but traps a gap of air (white) as water (green) enters the hose during a dive. Water compresses the trapped air the deeper you go, so designing a large enough gap is important because that air gap can get quite small and potentially result in mixing of the oil and water. At 300 feet for example, the air gap is only .652 inches (16.5mm) when using a 30 foot (9 meter) hose.</DIV><DIV dir="ltr"><BR></DIV><DIV dir="ltr">My understanding for the need of a bladder is in a closed system, meaning no hose open to the water, to have an expansion point (the bladder) for any increased oil volume due to heat whether it be motor operation or just sitting in the sun while out of the water.</DIV><DIV dir="ltr"><BR></DIV><DIV dir="ltr">Jon</DIV></DIV></DIV>_______________________________________________<BR>
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