<div dir="ltr">Thanks for the web site!<div>Rick</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 4:10 PM Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">AGMs typically require lower charge rates and lower final voltages than flooded cells. Check the literature for your particular batteries, but I'm thinking I wouldn't want to go any faster than C/5 for bulk charge. Look for a charger intended specifically for AGMs. They top out around 13.7 V instead of 14.5.<br><br>Always best to conform to the manufacturer data. More expensive chargers have temperature compensation, because you need to adjust voltage per cell a bit for temperature. Lead-acid of any description usually have a constant current bulk charging phase, a voltage limited saturation phase, and then a float. Best to use a charger suited to your battery size, because charging too slowly can also cause longevity issues. <br><br>Here's a good resource for general battery information:<br><br><a href="https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/" target="_blank">https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/</a><br><br>Sean<br><br>-------- Original Message --------<br>On Mar. 8, 2020, 17:27, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<blockquote><br><div dir="ltr">don't know much about batteries but I haven't bought them yet. There gonna be AGM 12 volt batteries so good idea about contacting the manufacturer to see what they say. Boat won't be used commercially so would be several days in between dives at least so maybe a 2 and 10 amp charge setting would be ok?<div>Rick</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 11:24 AM Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div></div><div>Rick,</div><div>If you want to use your submarine semi-commercially or do multiple dives</div><div>in a day I would go for a charger with a higher amp rating for a faster charge;</div><div>however there would be a limit, as if you charged them too fast the batteries</div><div>would off gas more. I am not sure what batteries you have, but there would</div><div>probably be data on charging rates. Maybe look at how fast you could charge</div><div>them with chargers of varying amp ratings & factor that in.</div><div>If you have time & are going to charge them overnight then ignore the above.</div><div>Alan</div><div><br>On 9/03/2020, at 9:16 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Hey guys, any other feed back on what you use for a battery charger for 12 or 36 volts, Sean, whats your input?<div>Rick</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 9:48 AM Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><font size="2">Alan, According to the specs an my batteries is shows a low voltage of 5 volts . But better battery life if discharged less than 50 % </font><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2"><a href="https://resources.fullriverbattery.com/fullriver-battery/external-media/spec-sheets/DC220-6.pdf" target="_blank">https://resources.fullriverbattery.com/fullriver-battery/external-media/spec-sheets/DC220-6.pdf</a> </font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">Brian</font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font><br><span style="font-size:10pt">--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:</span><br><br><span style="font-size:10pt">From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-size:10pt">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-size:10pt">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject)</span><br><span style="font-size:10pt">Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2020 21:29:48 +1300</span><br><br><div style="font-size:10pt"></div><div style="font-size:10pt">Brian,</div><div style="font-size:10pt">It is recommended not to take lead acid batteries below 50% charge, or 12.2V.</div><div style="font-size:10pt">So 48.8V.</div><div style="font-size:10pt">However when you have a heavy load on them they indicate a lower voltage than</div><div style="font-size:10pt">what they will be if you stop the motor & let them recover.</div><div style="font-size:10pt">Alan</div><div style="font-size:10pt"><br></div><div style="font-size:10pt"><br></div><div style="font-size:10pt"> </div><div style="font-size:10pt"><br>On 8/03/2020, at 7:04 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote style="font-size:10pt"><div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><font size="2">David, yes I'm running off my batteries, they are AGM, I have eight 240 ah batteries. I'm not sure how low I can go with the voltage, I believe the storage indicator has a low limit where it would read zero, but I'm pretty sure the motors will run on 36 volts, there is most likely a recommended low voltage for the 12 volt batteries. I ran them for 6 hours and the storage indicator was telling me 40% full. Voltage was 44.3 </font><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">Rick, this is the battery charger I have: <a href="https://www.batterypete.com/chargers/golf-carts/delta-q-quiq-48-volt-18-amp-912-4800/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAqY3zBRDQARIsAJeCVxP7pOTpKjANY_Z4leDJMXsag_kgsFsDIKImLms-Qd7CIh43hEoq7_oaAruDEALw_wcB" target="_blank">https://www.batterypete.com/chargers/golf-carts/delta-q-quiq-48-volt-18-amp-912-4800/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAqY3zBRDQARIsAJeCVxP7pOTpKjANY_Z4leDJMXsag_kgsFsDIKImLms-Qd7CIh43hEoq7_oaAruDEALw_wcB</a><br></font><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">Brian</font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2"> </font><br><br><span style="font-size:10pt">--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:</span><br><br><span style="font-size:10pt">From: David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-size:10pt">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-size:10pt">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject)</span><br><span style="font-size:10pt">Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 21:02:11 -0800</span><br><br><div dir="auto" style="font-size:10pt">Brian, are you running them from your actual batteries? Are they deep cycle lead AGM, or LIPO4? What's the cut off voltage?<div dir="auto">David</div></div><br><div style="font-size:10pt"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Mar 7, 2020, 7:58 PM Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><font size="2">It's been 4 hours now and my voltage is at 46.44 volts</font><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">Brian</font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font><br><span style="font-size:10pt">--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:</span><br><br><span style="font-size:10pt">From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-size:10pt">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-size:10pt">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject)</span><br><span style="font-size:10pt">Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2020 15:48:43 +1300</span><br><br><div style="font-size:10pt"><span></span></div><div style="font-size:10pt"><div></div><div>Hi Brian,</div><div>3hp is 2,200W, so 500W with no load seems excessively high.</div><div>Just measured mine & it's .9Amps (900mAh) for a 1500W compensated motor running in a 5cst silicone oil. Running off 48V also. So under 49W.</div><div>I think you have a large prop on your motors. I just saw your gearing ratio, but the</div><div>loss shouldn't be that much.</div><div>I would test them individually in case one is at fault.</div><div>Cheers Alan</div><div><br>On 8/03/2020, at 2:54 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><font size="2"><font face="Arial, sans-serif">Alan, They are 3 hp golf cart motors, true there is no load but If I kept the same amp draw while actually at sea then it seems it would be equivalent. Under actual conditions it would probably be going very slowly while drawing 21 amps ( 10.5 amps per motor ) . </font></font><div><font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="2">Brian</font></div><div><font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="2"><br></font><br><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:</span><br><br><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject)</span><br><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2020 14:21:54 +1300</span><br><br><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"></div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Brian,</div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">I take it that there is no load on the motor!</div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">That seems a high power consumption, 500 Watts per motor.</div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Have you got the specs for those motors? Have you checked them individually?</div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Alan</div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><br>On 8/03/2020, at 1:26 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><font size="2"><font face="Arial, sans-serif">There are some times when 110 vac could be needed, like computer stuff. Just a thought, we can have an open mind on the subject ! </font></font><div><font size="2"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><br></font></font></div><div><font size="2"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><br></font></font></div><div><font size="2"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"> Right now I'm running my motors to see how long they'll go. It's a kind of cool rainy day so the temperature is close to what the ocean would be . I've got the oil expansion tube going into a bucket so I can get an idea how large of a reservoir I will need to take care of the expansion. I think I'm going to opt for just a reservoir on the motor side and then I'm running a hose up high and then back down to take care of the compression up the tube for when I submerge. Since most of the compression of air will occur in the first 30' the water should never get high enough ( in the tube) to go over the hump and get</font></font><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"> into the motor compartment. So the whole system will be open . I'm also monitoring Voltage , Amp draw, and , Watts </span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"> 48 volts 21 amps 1030 watts - two motors running .</span></div><div><font size="2"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><br></font></font></div><div><font size="2"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"> </font></font></div><div><font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="2">Brian</font></div><div><font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="2"> </font></div><div><font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="2"><br></font><br><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:</span><br><br><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">To: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject)</span><br><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2020 00:06:47 +0000 (UTC)</span><br><br><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div>
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