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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">David,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Yes that was my bad, </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Hank</div><div><br></div>
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On Monday, December 16, 2019, 5:28:43 PM MST, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:
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<div><div id="yiv9675895512"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Hank, I seem to recall us pulling the buoy under for about an hour in Blue Bay. Which was the most fun I've had in years. <br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><div><div class="yiv9675895512gmail_signature" dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Best Regards,<br clear="none">David Colombo<br clear="none"><img src="http://static.squarespace.com/static/533310a9e4b0fba62008a464/t/5339c1f2e4b041bac4e25d1b/1396294132055/?format=500w" width="200" height="110"><br clear="none">804 College Ave<br clear="none">Santa Rosa, CA. 95404<br clear="none">(707) 536-1424<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.SeaQuestor.com">www.SeaQuestor.com</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div><br clear="none"></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv9675895512gmail_quote"><div class="yiv9675895512yqt6494258399" id="yiv9675895512yqt69986"><div class="yiv9675895512gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 4:16 PM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="yiv9675895512gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div></div>
<div dir="ltr">A telephone can have an 18,000 foot wire, </div><div dir="ltr">Hank</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div>
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On Monday, December 16, 2019, 4:42:43 PM MST, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:
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<div><div id="yiv9675895512gmail-m_3167193632349664566yiv4591421248"><div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><font size="2">Hank, You would have to use coax, it would just be a matter of what kind. Or do it like Keith says ! </font><div><font size="2"><br clear="none"></font></div><div><font size="2">Brian</font></div><div><font size="2"><br clear="none"></font></div><div><font size="2"><br clear="none"></font><br clear="none"><span style="font-size:10pt;">--- <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:</span><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><span style="font-size:10pt;">From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br clear="none"><span style="font-size:10pt;">To: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br clear="none"><span style="font-size:10pt;">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] coms</span><br clear="none"><span style="font-size:10pt;">Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 23:19:07 +0000 (UTC)</span><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div style="font-size:13px;"><div></div>
<div dir="ltr">Brian,</div><div dir="ltr">I find Coax to be a bit rigid for this application, I would want the tether to be real soft so to speak. I tow a poly rope with no issues, in fact the thicker the better. This is because thicker rope is more buoyant. I would add a couple small floats to the umbilical.</div><div dir="ltr">Hank</div><div><br clear="none"></div>
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On Monday, December 16, 2019, 3:58:29 PM MST, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:
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<div><div><div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><font size="2"><font face="Arial, sans-serif">David, Jon, Not sure if it is neutral or not , my guess is that it would be positive. But there would be a buoy on top in any event. I don't think the coiling would be an issue as that would tend to cancel out any RF interference ( not that there would be any) . You could expect about 2.5 db per 100' i think, so you would want to have enough power to overcome the loss. You might be able to put a high gain antenna on the floating antenna and or a signal amplifier at the antenna. </font></font><div><font size="2"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><br clear="none"></font></font></div><div><font size="2"><font face="Arial, sans-serif">Brian</font></font></div><div><font size="2"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><br clear="none"></font></font></div><div><font size="2"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"> </font></font><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;">--- <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:</span><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;">From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br clear="none"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;">To: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br clear="none"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] coms</span><br clear="none"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;">Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 21:48:04 +0000 (UTC)</span><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div><div></div>
<div dir="ltr">I think the first thing we need to determine is whether 500 feet of cable is too long for VHF transmission. Also, what effect coiling of the cable would have since in some situations coils of cable are used as baluns.</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Jon</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div>
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On Monday, December 16, 2019, 04:11:01 PM EST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">Jon, </div><div dir="ltr">I was thinking about VHF radio with a 500 plus foot antenna cable to the antenna on the surface. Then a matching radio on the boat.</div><div dir="ltr">Don't think smoke will be reliable under water haha</div><div dir="ltr">Hank</div><div><br clear="none"></div>
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On Monday, December 16, 2019, 11:22:19 AM MST, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">More info Hank. What kind of comms? Are you wanting to tether ultrasonic comms, some kind of radio like CB, smoke signals? </div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Jon</div><div><br clear="none"></div>
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On Monday, December 16, 2019, 10:31:45 AM EST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">Alan, good plan, but I am sure someone here has ideas. I am only needing to go 500 feet for my project this summer, so I will start with that and then I can just add to the line as needed.</div><div dir="ltr">Hank</div><div><br clear="none"></div>
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On Monday, December 16, 2019, 7:34:13 AM MST, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:
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<div><div><div><div></div><div>Hank,</div><div>If you don't get a response here, I would join a ROV group & post on one.</div><div>They would have that stuff down to a fine art.</div><div>I have searched ROV group information before.</div><div>How deep are you wanting to go?</div><div>Alan</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><div><br clear="none">On 17/12/2019, at 2:51 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div dir="ltr">Hi All,</div><div dir="ltr">I am in need of guidance. I want to install coms in E3000 with a tether cable. I can get 4mm ROV tether at a reasonable cost. I always tow a buoy anyways. I need help to figure out how to do this. </div><div dir="ltr">Hank</div></div></div></blockquote></div><blockquote><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br clear="none"><span>Personal_Submersibles mailing list</span><br clear="none"><span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a></span><br clear="none"><span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a></span><br clear="none"></div></blockquote></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></div></div></div>
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