<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div></div><div>Brian,</div><div>as Cliff says it may have a volumetric change under pressure that leaves</div><div>you negatively buoyant. I am not sure how you would test this in a </div><div>pressure chamber.</div><div>As an example, a soccer ball could take a lot of pressure & look perfectly</div><div>fine after a pressure test even though it might have been reduced to a </div><div>fraction of its original size in the process.</div><div>I was told that Alvin's syntactic foam & testing process cost $3 million.</div><div>They put it together in segments after testing each individual segment.</div><div>It might be perfectly OK though...</div><div>Alan </div><div><br>On 28/06/2019, at 7:03 AM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif; font-size:10pt;"><font size="2">I have a pressure gauge guy who does oil industry work that I think has a small chamber where I could test a plug of foam.</font><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">Brian</font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font><br><span style="font-size: 10pt;">--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:</span><br><br><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-size: 10pt;">To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation</span><br><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 11:37:26 -0700</span><br><br><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><font size="2">Cliff,</font><div><font size="2"> It's rated for 580 psi.</font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">Brian<br></font><br><span style="font-size: 10pt;">--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:</span><br><br><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-size: 10pt;">To: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation</span><br><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 15:55:01 +0000 (UTC)</span><br><br><div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: "times new roman", "new york", times, serif;"><div></div>
<div>Brian, this is not syntactic foam. It's made for marine service but not for deep submergence. It is really for surface buoyancy. I would not use this if you are relying on it for buoyancy at depth. It is the macro-spheres and microspheres in syntactic foam that prevent it compression at depth. I don't think this foam has either.</div><div><br></div><div>Best Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Cliff</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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On Thursday, June 27, 2019, 10:45:29 AM CDT, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:
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<div><div><div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><font size="2">Clifff, Here is the foam, it's the most dense foam , the 16lbs / cu ft</font><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2"><a href="http://www.uscomposites.com/foam.html">http://www.uscomposites.com/foam.html</a></font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">suppose to be good to 580 psi </font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">Brian</font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font><br><span style="font-size:10pt;">--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:</span><br><br><span style="font-size:10pt;">From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-size:10pt;">To: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-size:10pt;">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation</span><br><span style="font-size:10pt;">Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 14:29:12 +0000 (UTC)</span><br><br><div style="font-size:16px;"><div></div>
<div>Brian, I have been tied up and have not had a chance to follow this thread but I wanted to make sure you understand that unless this pour-able 2 part foam has a filler like 3-M's glass micro-spheres or some kind of incompressible macrosphere, then while the foam may appear rigid, it would compress when subjected to deep water and thus your buoyancy would be reduced. I don't think this is a replacement for syntactic foam if that is what you are doing. Can you send a link to the foam you are using?</div><div><br></div><div>Best Regards </div><div><br></div>
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<div><div><div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><font size="2" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">Hi everybody,</font><div><font size="2"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"> I poured a small test piece of that 16 lb foam, man that stuff gets as hard as a rock ! very dense , and very light. This pouring of the foam is not going to be as straight forward as I thought, The barrier to contain the foam is working out good, I'm just using wood and thin 1/8" luan , then I'm covering that with 4 mil flexible plastic ( heavy garbage type bag) so the foam won't stick to it. But I'm worried that any little gaps I have and the liquid foam might run out the bottom of those areas before it starts foaming, so I'm cramming big blankets ( cheap moving blankets from harbor freight) in tight to contain any foam. That way I can get the cavity that I'm trying to fill completely maxed out. Waiting for an 80 + degree day . </font></font></div><div><font size="2"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><br></font></font></div><div><font size="2"><font face="Arial, sans-serif">Brian</font></font></div><div><font size="2"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><br></font></font></div><div><font size="2"><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><br></font></font><br><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;">--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:</span><br><br><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;">From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;">To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation</span><br><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;">Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 16:12:46 -0700</span><br><br><div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><font size="2">My first batch of foam cam today ! yay ! two five gallon pails, A and B, should be interesting !</font><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">Brian</font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font><br><span style="font-size:10pt;">--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:</span><br><br><span style="font-size:10pt;">From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-size:10pt;">To: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-size:10pt;">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation</span><br><span style="font-size:10pt;">Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2019 17:47:56 +0000 (UTC)</span><br><br><div style="font-size:13px;"><div></div>
<div>Brian,</div><div>Did you find foam to fill the void?</div><div>Hank</div><div><br></div>
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