<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div></div><div>Brian,</div><div>a pity you haven't got a pit in your back yard to test in like Hank.</div><div>It must get expensive transporting & hiring the crane every time.</div><div>I would suggest grabbing anything that floats that you can attach</div><div>to your sub (20 litre containers etc) and also anything heavy you </div><div>can attach, & booking yourself sufficient time to leisurely move </div><div>floatation & weights around till you are neutrally buoyant & stable. </div><div>Then look at replicating that with syntactic foam or whatever.</div><div>I know this will be a pain but I think it will be the quickest way to</div><div>get it right. I did similar but in a swimming pool.</div><div>Any Psubbers near you that could help?</div><div>Alan</div><div><br>On 9/06/2019, at 1:12 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif; font-size:10pt;"><font size="2" style=""><font face="Arial, sans-serif">Hank, Alan, Yes I'm hoping for the best , I've got that tank as high as it will go, it may just work, the flotation will not engage until later now. I know Carsten has vertical tanks inside his Euronaut but I'm not doing that .. I still have another option of bringing the tank out of out the shell and angling up a bit as well. Also I still have some syntactic foam that I might strap onto the front wings to get that nose up. </font></font><div><font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="2"> The large ferro cement ballast tank structure seems to be proving it's merit for when it is on the surface and for supply ample freeboard but in submerge mode the only real buoyancy that I'm getting is from the pressure hull, everything else is just dead weight or neutral. I want to completely flood the ballast so I don't get any free moving water, although I could stand some bubble in the very top of the two saddle chambers I think. </font></div><div><font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="2">But Hank I think I'm still going to need some of those buoy things.</font></div><div><font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="2">Brian</font></div><div><font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font face="Arial, sans-serif" size="2"> <br></font><br><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:</span><br><br><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">To: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] CNG installed</span><br><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 21:07:59 +0000 (UTC)</span><br><br><div style="font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><div></div>
<div>Brian,</div><div>Funny, my first log salvage ROV had two horizontal tanks and was very unstable so we did exactly that and stood them up and it worked fantastic. I bet if you keep it horizontal and raise it to the max it will work good.</div><div>Hank</div><div><br></div>
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On Saturday, June 8, 2019, 1:22:39 PM MDT, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:
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<div><div><div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><font size="2">Maybe I could mount it like this ..lol</font><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">Brian<br></font><br><span style="font-size:10pt;">--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:</span><br><br><span style="font-size:10pt;">From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-size:10pt;">To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-size:10pt;">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] CNG installed</span><br><span style="font-size:10pt;">Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 10:13:03 -0700</span><br><br><div><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><font size="2" style=""><font face="Arial, sans-serif">Raising the tank is definitely what I need to do , just not sure if there is enough space there to make a difference , but it's definitely worth a try before I do anything drastic . I won't start cutting those concrete front wings off just yet. </font></font><div><font size="2" style=""><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><br></font></font></div><div><font size="2" style=""><font face="Arial, sans-serif"> Just as a side note though, which more of a curiosity , I could have a free floating tank with guides that would float up until it started influencing the buoyancy . </font></font></div><div><font size="2" style=""><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><br></font></font></div><div><font size="2" style=""><font face="Arial, sans-serif">Brian</font></font></div><div><font size="2" style=""><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><br></font></font></div><div><font size="2" style=""><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><br></font></font></div><div><font size="2" style=""><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><br></font></font></div><div><font size="2" style=""><font face="Arial, sans-serif"> </font></font><br><br><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;">--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:</span><br><br><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;">From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] CNG installed</span><br><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;">Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 17:59:45 -0600</span><br><br><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;">Brian. Just raise the tank as high as possible. Changing to trawl floats will make no difference.</span><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;">Hank<br><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Jun 7, 2019, at 3:29 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div>Brian,</div><div>Is that faring above the tank a free flooding area & if so can you</div><div>get air trapped in it. There looks to be a foot of space between the </div><div>Tank & faring; can you mount the tank higher!</div><div>Alan</div><div><br>On 8/06/2019, at 9:16 AM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><font size="2">Here is a pic of the tank:</font><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">Brian</font></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote><div><CNG1.jpg></div></blockquote><blockquote><div><CNG2.jpg></div></blockquote><blockquote><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Personal_Submersibles mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a></span><br><span><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a></span><br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><blockquote><div dir="ltr"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Personal_Submersibles mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a></span><br><span><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a></span><br></div></blockquote></div><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;">_______________________________________________
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