<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div></div><div>Brian,</div><div>you are right to enquire!</div><div>It could reflect badly on the Psub community in general if there were media</div><div>headlines " Professor of engineering found dead in homemade submarine in</div><div>backyard swimming pool."</div><div>Alan </div><div><br>On 1/06/2019, at 9:02 AM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif; font-size:10pt;"><font size="2">That's good ! But what about when you did your actual test ?? Just a few days ago.</font><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">Brian<br></font><br><span style="font-size: 10pt;">--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:</span><br><br><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-size: 10pt;">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] scrubber performance</span><br><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 13:36:56 -0500</span><br><br><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Yes. For unconscious pilot on bottom:</span><div style="font-size: 10pt;">1) hands free life support for 12 hours.</div><div style="font-size: 10pt;">2) Dive team locates boat using pinger</div><div style="font-size: 10pt;">3) Dive team attaches line with float to forward lifting lug</div><div style="font-size: 10pt;">4) divers descend on line with 80 SCF scuba tank with whip</div><div style="font-size: 10pt;">5) divers manually inflate forward and aft MBTs until boat is positive </div><div style="font-size: 10pt;">6) when boat surfaces, tender attaches line on boat and tows to beach</div><div style="font-size: 10pt;">7) at beach, tender crew uses screwdriver to wedge between upper and lower hatch faces. This will break latches and enable the hatch to be opened</div><div style="font-size: 10pt;">8) crew recovers pilot and administers appropriate first aid.</div><div style="font-size: 10pt;"><br></div><div style="font-size: 10pt;">Cliff<br><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On May 31, 2019, at 10:50 AM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif; font-size:10pt;"><font size="2">Cliff,</font><div><font size="2"> Did you have an escape plan with the outside world in case you conked out inside your sub? Can the out side world get your hatch off? </font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">Brian</font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font><br><span style="font-size: 10pt;">--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:</span><br><br><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-size: 10pt;">To: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span><br><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] scrubber performance</span><br><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 22:33:00 +0000 (UTC)</span><br><br><div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: "times new roman", "new york", times, serif;"><div></div>
<div>Hank, I am not going to be able to redo the Life Support tent until after the 2019 Flathead Lake Expedition because of work. I have enough SodaSorb I think for the Expedition. I may go ahead and get the DiveSorb Pro just to have a backup. One of the questions I have is about the impact of the mesh size. The SodaSorb HP with it's 4-8 mesh is larger than the DiveSorb. I wonder if the DiveSorb is going to pass through the holes in my scrubber container.</div><div><br></div><div>Best Cliff</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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<div>Cliff,</div><div>I need a pail of absorbent also but I will hold off until you test it. We have pretty identical scrubbers so the performance should be the same. Are you ordering a small quantity first for testing.</div><div>Hank</div><div><br></div>
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<div>Alan, yes the dive was quite peaceful and I got two books read. This was one single dive. Closed the hatch and submerged at 4:30 AM and surfaced and popped the hatch at 5 PM. Packed a lunch for the day. Without touching a single setting or switch, my life support kept the O2 mole percent at a rock solid 21% plus or minus a tenth of a percent. Goal was to see how long the initial load in the scrubber would last. At 12.5 hours the SodaSorbHP had breakthrough and reached 5000 ppm. Comfort level was not to bad. The pool temperature varied from 79F at 4:30 am in morning to 81F at 5:30 pm. Relative Humidly was high at 80-82 percent throughout the dive. Had to use my HERE (Human Endurance Range Extender) unit twice during the dive. As there is not much room in my cabin, I managed to piss all over my myself on the second attempt which made for a nice aroma! Dive kind of felt like making a non stop flight from Texas to New Zealand minus the first class meals and being able to walk around to stretch my legs. From an ergonomics perspective, it would have been nice to have air conditioning not so much for temperature for this dive but for humidity control. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Now that I can't buy SodaSorb HP, I am going to have to repeat the test to check the endurance of the Darager DiveSorb Pro.</div><div><br></div><div>Best</div><div><br></div><div>Cliff</div><div> <span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Times New Roman, serif;"><img style="width:602px;max-width:0px;" src="cid:"></span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div><span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Times New Roman, serif;"><img style="width:602px;max-width:0px;" src="cid:"></span></span><br></div><div><br></div>
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On Thursday, May 30, 2019, 3:51:20 PM CDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:
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<div><div><div><div></div><div>Cliff,</div><div>12.5hrs in the pool in your submarine! That's one way to get some</div><div>peace & quiet. </div><div>I presume you did this in several separate dives.</div><div>How long could you stay in before it was getting uncomfortable?</div><div>Any worse than a seat on an airplane?</div><div>Would you design it any different from an ergonomics perspective?</div><div>Alan</div><div><br></div><div><div><br>On 31/05/2019, at 8:14 AM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div><div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"></div>
<div>Today, I was getting ready to reorder SodaSorb HP for the August 5-9 Flathead Lake Expedition and found from my supplier, Amron International, that W.R. Grace and Co. was bought out by another company and the new company has stopped manufacturing SodaSorb HP. Amron guys are recommending a replacement product <span style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:15px;">Draeger 6737818 DiveSorb® Pro Carbon Dioxide Absorbents 16.8 kg - 37 lb</span><span style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><br> . </span></span><a href="https://www.amronintl.com/draeger-divesorb-pro-16-8kg-6737818.html" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;">Draeger DiveSorb® Pro Carbon Dioxide Absorbents 16.8 kg - 37 lb 6737818</a> at a similar price, $107/37 lbs.</div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;max-width:400px;"><a href="https://www.amronintl.com/draeger-divesorb-pro-16-8kg-6737818.html" style="text-decoration:none !important;color:#000 !important;"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="max-width:400px;"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" width="400"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%" style="max-width:400px;border-width:1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(224, 228, 233);border-radius:2px;"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" background="https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/tmV5FbFZkU4BI41dBiToZw--~A/Zmk9ZmlsbDt3PTQwMDtoPTIwMDthcHBpZD1pZXh0cmFjdA--/https://www.amronintl.com/skin/frontend/default/Amron/images/amron-logo-196w.png.cf.jpg" bgcolor="#000000" height="175" style="background-color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-size:cover;position:relative;border-radius:2px 2px 0px 0px;min-height:175px;"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width:100%;"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" background="https://s.yimg.com/cv/ae/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV21/1/enhancr_gradient-400x175.png" bgcolor="transparent" style="background-color:transparent;border-radius:2px 2px 0px 0px;min-height:175px;"><table border="0" height="175" style="width:100%;min-height:175px;"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="text-align:left;padding:15px 0 0 15px;vertical-align:top;"><span style="color:#fff;font-size:16px;font-weight:600;">$107.15</span></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="text-align:right;padding:15px 15px 0 0;vertical-align:top;"><div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1"><table align="center" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="background:#fff;position:relative;z-index:2;width:100%;max-width:400px;border-radius:0 0 2px 2px;border-top:1px solid rgb(224, 228, 233);"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="background-color:#ffffff;padding:16px 0 16px 12px;vertical-align:top;border-radius:0 0 0 2px;"></td><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="vertical-align:middle;padding:12px 24px 16px 12px;width:99%;font-family:Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;border-radius:0 0 2px 0;"><h2 style="font-size:14px;line-height:19px;margin:0px 0px 6px;font-family:Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(38, 40, 42);">Draeger DiveSorb® Pro Carbon Dioxide Absorbents 16.8 kg - 37 lb 6737818</h2><p style="font-size:12px;line-height:16px;margin:0px;color:rgb(151, 155, 167);">Draeger DiveSorb® Pro Carbon Dioxide Absorbents 16.8 kg - 37 lb 6737818</p></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></a></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><br></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;">Found a US Navy report written in 1987 were they compared different CO2 absorbents in their MK 15 re-breather. The abstract from the report is given below. <span><a href="http://dspace.rubicon-foundation.org/xmlui/bitstream/handle/123456789/4853/NEDU_1987_11.pdf?sequence=1">http://dspace.rubicon-foundation.org/xmlui/bitstream/handle/123456789/4853/NEDU_1987_11.pdf?sequence=1</a></span></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><br><div><div>"A comparative study of Draegersorb, LimePak and HP Sodasorb carbon dioxide absorbents within</div><div>the MK 15 Mod 0 Underwater Breathing Apparatus (MK 15) was performed at the Navy Experimental</div><div>Diving U n i t . Draegersorb and LimePak appeared t o be marginally more e f f e c t i v e than HP Sodasorb.</div><div>However, t h e i r usefulness to extend the MK 15 canister duration may be l i m i t e d because of the</div><div>wide v a r i a b i l i t y of time to reach the a r b i t r a r i l y determined canister breakthrough of 3.8 mHg</div><div>CO 0.5% SEV) though the oxygen consumption rates were similar, V02 rates were similar, V02</div><div>1 mi. The polypropylene moisture absorbent pads are a suitable replacement pad for the</div><div>MK 15 and can be reused."</div></div></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><br></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;">For those of you that were using SodaSorb HP, what are switching to? My inclination is to go with the <span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;">Draeger Dive Sorb Pro. Does anyone know of a supplier that still has an inventory of SodaSorbHP 4-8 mesh?</span></span></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><br></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;">I wish I would have know this one week ago. 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