Might I suggest:<br><br>https://www.asco.com/en-us/Pages/solenoid-valves.aspx#<br><br>I have extensive experience using these Asco valves - specifically the electronically enhanced line in 24 VDC, but there are lots of options. The catalogs all list a minimum operation pressure, so anything with a zero in that column should work. Check out the navy / marine line. Though specs say 115 VAC, most of these can be ordered with a 24 VDC coil.<br><br>Sean<br><br><br><br>-------- Original Message --------<br>On Apr 16, 2019, 14:21, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<blockquote class="protonmail_quote"><br><html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div></div><div>Another thought is that there may be enough system pressure with</div><div>the weight of the sub compressing the air in your ballast tanks, to</div><div>initially operate a pilot operated valve; but the air pressure in the ballast tank</div><div>would be diminishing as you flooded the tank. You may find if you stop </div><div>flooding & start again the valve wouldn't work!</div><div>Cheers Alan</div><div><br>On 17/04/2019, at 7:26 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="ydp9281e796yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div></div>
<div>Mine are 12V and work fine</div><div>Hank</div><div><br></div>
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<div><div id="yiv3239874648"><div><div></div><div>Hi David,</div><div>that one was 12V. In my experience the solenoids that activate without</div><div>the help of air / water pressure were all 24V & above.</div><div>Ie. If there is not enough pressure in the air in your ballast tank you won't</div><div>dive. There is a couple of terminologies for this type. I think self acting</div><div>was one.</div><div>Cheers Alan</div><div class="yiv3239874648yqt0942442039" id="yiv3239874648yqt75319"><div><br clear="none">On 17/04/2019, at 2:26 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Hi Hank, this one on amazon is rated at .8mpa. Is yours rated for more?</div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv3239874648gmail_quote"><div class="yiv3239874648gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 9:12 AM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="yiv3239874648gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="yiv3239874648m_-782388741262541288ydpb6d78952yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div></div>
<div><br clear="none"></div><div>David,</div><div>I used cheap brass valves, </div><div>Hank</div>
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<div><div id="yiv3239874648m_-782388741262541288yiv8397841403"><div><div dir="ltr">Yes, but I meant in salt water.<div><br clear="none"></div><div>:)</div></div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv3239874648m_-782388741262541288yiv8397841403gmail_quote"><div class="yiv3239874648m_-782388741262541288yiv8397841403yqt8403054621" id="yiv3239874648m_-782388741262541288yiv8397841403yqt32061"><div class="yiv3239874648m_-782388741262541288yiv8397841403gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 8:33 AM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="yiv3239874648m_-782388741262541288yiv8397841403gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="yiv3239874648m_-782388741262541288yiv8397841403gmail-m_6316532233458490388ydp57b7263yahoo-style-wrap"><div></div>
<div>Alec, </div><div>I am sure I have mentioned it before, but, I used solenoid valves on my log salvage ROV that dove 200 feet deep every 7 minutes for months on end. Not one single failure. </div><div>Hank</div><div><br clear="none"></div>
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<div>Alec,</div><div>The pneumatic valves are on E3000, so your memory is intact. ;-) I am experimenting with the solenoids mostly and you were correct about an air lock in the lines. Now I have to decide if I want to enclose the electric valves or put pneumatic valves in. Turns out I only need two. The thing I don't like about the pneumatic valves is all the darn plumbing and regulating and valving. Electric is so simple once a nice oil filled housing is built.</div><div>Hank</div><div><br clear="none"></div>
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On Monday, April 15, 2019, 7:39:34 PM MDT, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:
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