<DIV style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif; font-size:10pt;"><FONT size="2" style=""><FONT face="Arial, sans-serif">Makes sense Sean ! I had an "incident" the other day while re-doing my electrical system for my motors, I had everything finished and turned my main power switch on and experienced a pop and a flash at the main fuse. Thinking I had a serious problem, I immediately turned the main power switch off and proceeded to check the fuse only to find out I had not tightened down one of the lugs to the fuse. The pop and flash was just the connector arcing to the terminal - luckily ! moral of the story - tighten down all your connections ! </FONT></FONT><DIV><FONT size="2" style=""><FONT face="Arial, sans-serif"><BR></FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size="2" style=""><FONT face="Arial, sans-serif">Brian</FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size="2" style=""><FONT face="Arial, sans-serif"><BR></FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size="2" style=""><FONT face="Arial, sans-serif"> </FONT></FONT><BR><BR><SPAN style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">--- personal_submersibles@psubs.org wrote:</SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" <personal_submersibles@psubs.org></SPAN><BR><SPAN style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org></SPAN><BR><SPAN style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SubConn BH4F and IL4M Connectors</SPAN><BR><SPAN style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 22:14:46 +0000</SPAN><BR><BR><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">It isn't strictly necessary to fuse both terminals under ordinary conditions. Doing so just extends the fault tolerance of the electrical system. A single fuse or breaker on either leg at the battery will protect against a DC high current short provided the fuse is in series somewhere in that short circuit. In a grounded electrical system, such as most automotive systems which have the battery negative terminal connected directly to the vehicle chassis, you actually can't fuse the negative side because if that negative fuse blows before the positive side fuse, then you still have a return current path through installed equipment such as radios etc., and that smaller wiring could start a fire if subjected to short circuit current. In the floating system (marine systems), the second fuse is permissible.<BR></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><BR></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Fusing both legs provides protection for shorts which might occur at the terminals themselves, or at the bus bars or main feeders which exist between the battery bank terminals and the circuit breaker / fuse box. If your battery shifts, or your sustain a seawater leak, for example, which produces a fault right at the positive terminal in off-board battery pods, the negative side fuse would protect the vessel in the event of a second fault. The only condition which is not protected by this configuration is a fault directly between terminals or bus bars / mains between the battery and the protection devices. If you are using circuit breakers instead of fuses, you want a breaker which interrupts both leads in response to a failure of either one.<BR></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><BR></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">A non-grounded, or floating, electrical system is inherently single-fault tolerant, because any short between one battery terminal (positive or negative) and your hull will not cause current flow. You actually need two simultaneous failures (or a bridge between potentials) for a high current fault to occur, which provides for the ability to continuously monitor continuity between each potential and the hull, and throw an alarm to indicate the presence of such a single fault. The fuses or circuit breakers provide protection for the double-fault, and if you have a triple fault, you're going to have a bad day.<BR></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><BR></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Sean<BR></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><BR></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><BR></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV><BR></DIV></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><BR></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<BR></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> On Friday, April 12, 2019 2:35 PM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<BR></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <BR></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><DIV dir="ltr"><DIV>Sean,<BR></DIV><DIV>I have been very careful not to use the hull as a ground for obvious reasons but was just wondering if there was any drawbacks to having the breakers for the battery's attached to the lugs as soon as they inter the hull? I would prefure them to be inside because they would be easier to replace or reset plus I have a lot more room for them. <BR></DIV><DIV>Why do both pos and neg need to be protected with fuses?<BR></DIV><DIV>Rick<BR></DIV></DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV><DIV dir="ltr">On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 10:05 AM Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>> wrote:<BR></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><DIV>Remember, on boats, and in submersibles, you want to have an ungrounded electrical system (no continuity between battery negative and hull / equipment chassis protective earth), and you will want main fuses / breakers on both the positive and the negative leads coming from the battery. Ideally, you want these protective devices as close to the battery bank(s) as possible, but accessable so that you can replace fuses or reset the breakers if you happened to cause the short or it is otherwise repairable before going live again.<BR></DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>Sean<BR></DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>-------- Original Message --------<BR></DIV><DIV>On Apr 12, 2019, 13:50, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < <A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>> wrote:<BR></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV dir="ltr"><DIV>Was wondering if it is better to have the main fuse/circuit breaker inside the battery pod or just inside the hull or does it make any difference. I really lack in the electrical side of things.<BR></DIV><DIV>Rick<BR></DIV></DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV><DIV dir="ltr">On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 9:34 AM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>> wrote:<BR></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><DIV><DIV style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16px"><DIV><SPAN></SPAN><BR></DIV><DIV><SPAN>I called MacCartney and talked to the manager there who happens to be the wife of the previous manager that set us up with the discount. She said a competitor went out of business which has created a huge draw on their manufacturing capacity. She assured me that our small orders are not preempted by orders for 20,000 units. She did say most items are on a 12-16 week back order.</SPAN><BR></DIV><DIV><SPAN></SPAN><BR></DIV><DIV dir="ltr"><SPAN>I will offer the following if anyone thinks it might help for the future...perhaps we could take some of our member dues money and use it to purchase some units that we keep locally to avoid this in the future. Only problem is, I really do not want to be responsible for shipping. Someone we know and trust would have to volunteer to hold the stock and ship items when our members order them.</SPAN><BR></DIV><DIV dir="ltr"><SPAN></SPAN><BR></DIV><DIV dir="ltr"><SPAN>Otherwise, we will just have to wait patiently.</SPAN><BR></DIV><DIV dir="ltr"><SPAN></SPAN><BR></DIV><DIV dir="ltr"><SPAN>Jon</SPAN><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV><DIV>_______________________________________________<BR></DIV><DIV> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<BR></DIV><DIV> <A href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</A><BR></DIV><DIV> <A href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</A><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><DIV>_______________________________________________<BR></DIV><DIV> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<BR></DIV><DIV> <A href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</A><BR></DIV><DIV> <A href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</A><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><BR></DIV><SPAN style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">_______________________________________________
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