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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-NZ link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alan,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Keep it up. I wish I were doing it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hugh<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alan via Personal_Submersibles<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 5 October 2018 2:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] eRe: Alan's new motor<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hugh,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>it seemed simple to begin with!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I still feel the concept of using an outrunner motor is good because<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>of the high torque that eliminates the need for a gearbox.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Heat is definitely the big enemy of these small motors & I found they<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>can maintain temperature in oil running them at close to 2hp.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>That's in a bucket of oil! <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There are people using them oil compensated in underwater linear<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>actuators & they expound the virtues of being able to get a lot of power<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>from a small package using these motors.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am nearly there!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Alan<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 5/10/2018, at 1:40 PM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alan,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What comes to mind is the old biblical proverb.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Saul, Saul, why kickest thou against the pricks!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You’re a tiger for punishment. But I guess learning always comes at a price.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>At least it is interesting and we are having fun.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers, Hugh</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Personal_Submersibles [<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 5 October 2018 12:53 PM<br><b>To:</b> Alan via Personal_Submersibles<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] eRe: Alan's new motor</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif"'>Alan,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif"'>If it was easy,,, well you know </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif"'>Hank</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div id="yahoo_quoted_9280246792"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>On Thursday, October 4, 2018, 5:44:22 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote: </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div id=yiv5674955088><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Hank,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>yes, this was what happened in my last pool test. I had a different motor &</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>ran it for 30hrs before it self destructed. I had noticed the oil moving up the line</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>when the thruster started. I didn't have a temperature sensor but must have</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>really cooked it. Multiple things went wrong. It had 3 hall sensors & they could</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>be moved about to adjust the motor timing by heating the glue their board was</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>glued on with. It came lose so the motor timing would be seriously out of whack</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>causing more heating. Then there was the bad press fit of the stainless shaft</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>I made for it......am learning.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Alan</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=yiv5674955088yqt44313><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'><br>On 5/10/2018, at 9:28 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Alan,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Ya, I thought you were just trying to stop oil from migrating up the hose, but the oil is being forced up by centrifugal forces from the armature. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Hank</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div id="yiv5674955088yahoo_quoted_8839823556"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>On Thursday, October 4, 2018, 1:50:10 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote: </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div id=yiv5674955088><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Thanks Hank,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>I like your method for making the bushing. It doesn't warrant a bearing</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>& as I said the ceramic bearings are expensive. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>I was a bit confused about the oil trap but kept quiet :)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Alan</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=yiv5674955088yqt13328><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'><br>On 5/10/2018, at 12:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Alan,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>I just realized I misunderstood what your goal is, my idea of a oil trap will not help keep the oil in the motor. The joints in my arm are plastic bushings made from PVC. I use a hole saw to make a round plastic disk 1\2 in thick, then I machine a shoulder in the disk that fits tight into the arm member. The disk has a centre hole drilled for the centre pin. Seems to work real nice and is quick to make.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Hank</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div id="yiv5674955088yahoo_quoted_8992283216"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>On Wednesday, October 3, 2018, 7:13:05 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote: </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div id=yiv5674955088><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Hank,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>the oil tube is clear, so I'll monitor the oil level in the tube & see if</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>additional over pressure helps first. Also I have a temperature sensor</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>in the motor so if the motor runs cool enough I won't worry.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Did you put bearings in the joints of your manipulator, or not bother?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>I am still running with the idea of a manipulator with an open gearbox</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>& underwater motor. I can get ceramic bearings but they are expensive.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Alan </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=yiv5674955088yqt34186><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'><br>On 4/10/2018, at 12:23 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Alan, all you need is to interrupt the oil pathway, just take a larger container \pipe\ whatever and have the lower tube enter at the bottom of the vessel and have the exiting tube leave on the opposite side above it. I use this method as a water trap for my steam engine, under pressure.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Hank</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div id="yiv5674955088yahoo_quoted_9514140126"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>On Wednesday, October 3, 2018, 3:39:28 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote: </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div id=yiv5674955088><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Hank,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>I have the wires running out of the motor through the tube that the</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>oil comes in through. At a point in that line I have a T where the wires</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>are epoxied & run without the tubing to the through hull, and the tubing</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>continues on to the oil compensator. The compensator has a low oil</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>level switch, so there should always be oil in the line.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>There is increasing ambient pressure going in to the housing as you </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>dive, so not sure how you would relieve that on ascent with some sort</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>of oil trap! But I am not sure what idea you have.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>I am stuck on an Island for 3 weeks looking after a dog & cat then my</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>other daughter is flying in & stealing my car, so won't be</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>making any rapid progress on this :(. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Alan</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'><br>On 4/10/2018, at 9:29 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Alan,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>You can make a oil trap in the compensation tube, its real simple.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Hank</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div id="yiv5674955088yahoo_quoted_8984756303"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>On Wednesday, October 3, 2018, 12:32:59 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote: </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div id=yiv5674955088><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Hank,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>I am hoping I can dial up the over pressure to the point that it</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>keeps the oil down. (like blowing in to a straw forcing the liquid out)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>The oil goes in through a clear tube so I can monitor the level.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>I am not confident though; however oil compensation has been</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>around for a long time. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Unfortunately I can't put a one way valve in the system as the </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>pressure won't be able to escape on ascent.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Below is the motor in oil without the proppeller.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Alan</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'><image1.JPG></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=yiv5674955088yqt44265><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'><br>On 4/10/2018, at 1:34 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Alan,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>I have had similar situation, the oil will still come up the tube. The over pressure makes no difference, unless there is a piston or diaphragm blocking the oil.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Hank</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div id="yiv5674955088yahoo_quoted_9469552021"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>On Wednesday, October 3, 2018, 2:53:29 AM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote: </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div id=yiv5674955088><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Hank,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>yes very patient "lol" as this might not be the final version.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>I have tested the motor out of the housing in a bucket of oil & established</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>that it could only be run at 30 Amps without overheating. It causes quite </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>a turbulence running in oil with no prop on due to the open design of a rotating </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>back section. It will want to force oil out of the housing & up the oil feed tube,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>but I am hoping the overpressure from my oil compensator will keep the oil</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>in around the motor. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Am learning a lot on each attempt.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Alan</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=yiv5674955088yqt95416><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'><br>On 3/10/2018, at 9:06 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue","serif";color:#26282A'>Alan, your patience is amazing. 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