<div dir="ltr">Hi Graham,<div><br></div><div>I had a similar problem initially with my new sub. It comes down to adding buoyancy up high and weight down low. I too have batteries inside cylindrical pods. One of the cheapest and easiest ways to add low weight is to cut long steel bars and slide them into the V shaped spaces between the batteries and the sides of the pod. If you weld a nut to the end of each bar you can easily slide them out using a bolt as a temporary handle. Make sure the bars don't have a way to jump up and short out the battery terminals when bouncing along on a trailer. In my case the upper edge of the batteries is touching the wall of the pod so there is no way for the bars to get on top of the batteries. A cheap way to add high buoyancy is using trawl floats. </div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Alec</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 8:40 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Graham,</div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature">firstly I am assuming you meant diameter not radius with regard</div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature">to the new pod.</div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature">I did the calculations for fresh water & with carbon steel.</div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature">Old end caps in air 24lb in water 20.9lb x 2</div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature">Old cylinder in air 429lb in water 190.32.</div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature">So 190.32 + 41.8 = 232.12 heavy for the old pod in water.</div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature">Am ignoring the battery weight as you say they are the same in both pods.</div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature">New end caps in air 21.8lb in water 19lb x 2</div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature">New cylinder in air 229lb in water -189.71lb</div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature">So -189.71lb + 38lb = -151.71lb buoyant for the new pod in water.</div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature">You need 151.71 + 232.12 = 383.83lb ( difference of weight in water between old</div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature">& new pod) extra lead to get you to the neutrally buoyant state.</div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature">Hope that's right. See if anybody else comes up with anything different.</div><span class=""><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature">Cheers Alan</div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature"> </div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature"><br><br>Sent from my iPad</div></span><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On 31/07/2018, at 11:31 PM, graham bayliss via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="m_-2199963377209619797WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Hi Alan <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">The original pods are as per plan 57 -3/4" twelve inc sched pipe I have built mine six feet long and fourteen inches radius out of 1/4" steel plate my end caps are flat plate 1/2" thick I carry three leisure batteries 18 kgs each plus I have added 150 lbs of lead to the out side of the cases .I made them longer to carry extra batteries for extra power.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Graham<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Personal_Submersibles [<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org" target="_blank">mailto:personal_submersibles-<wbr>bounces@psubs.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alan via Personal_Submersibles<br><b>Sent:</b> 31 July 2018 12:08<br><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Casper 2<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Graham,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal">to do this accurately we would also need the dimensions of the<u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal">previous pod & it's battery weight to see what positive or negative<u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal">effect it was having. Ie. if it was 20lb negative then that is our<u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal">target with the new pod to get your sub back to neutral buoyancy.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal">Alan<br><br>Sent from my iPad<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On 31/07/2018, at 10:14 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Graham,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal">what is the wall thickness of the battery pods. Is the 14" the outside<u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal">diameter. Is the length you quoted to the ends of the end caps?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal">Are there reinforcing rings in the pods. If so what dimensions.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal">Also what is the weight of the batteries. You should be able to get<u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal">that spec off the internet.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal">I have the program " Under Pressure" that gives weights & buoyancy.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal">I would have to put hemispherical end caps in the equation as thats<u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal">it's limit.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal">You might get a better offer from someone with a better program but<u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal">I am sure I could get you in the ball park.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal">Cheers Alan<u></u><u></u></p></div><div id="m_-2199963377209619797AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br>Sent from my iPad<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On 31/07/2018, at 9:48 PM, graham bayliss via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Hi <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">my name is Graham Bayliss I have been building Casper 2 for many years and now find my self frustrated by science I have craned my sub into the water three time only to be frustrated by buoyancy problems I have redesigned my battery tubes to carry more batteries. this has meant they are very buoyant and being on the bottom my boat they tend to want to turn her on her side. My housings measure six feet long by fourteen inches I can not calculate how much weight I need to make these negative buoyancy I have three leisure batteries in each housing plus one hundred and fifty pound of lead on top. this does not counteract the upforce which each housing is subjecting my sub to. I am lost as to how I can over come my problem as she is determined to roll . can some one help me please.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">regards <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Graham<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Pictures of Casper 2 being built are on the site if you need to look at what I have built.<u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a><br><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo.cgi/personal_<wbr>submersibles</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a><br><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo.cgi/personal_<wbr>submersibles</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>______________________________<wbr>_________________</span><br><span>Personal_Submersibles mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a></span><br><span><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo.cgi/personal_<wbr>submersibles</a></span><br></div></blockquote></div></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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