<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_76972"><span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_76972" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_77187">I don't think there will be much in the archives, Les did not write much as I recall. The sub was definitely built for shallow water diving which is what Les and a couple of others in the Michigan area were doing. They had access to a 30-40 foot deep flooded pit and dove there all the time. That's why he installed a large flat view port in the front, he knew the vessel was going to be used for shallow dives. I specifically remember a conversation with him about this at the 2012 convention. Les was a good guy and I always enjoyed talking with him. I remember him telling me at that convention that he had essentially lost interest and was going to sell the vessel. I also see he had some bad luck in 2016; his house burned to the ground and he lost all his possessions.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_76972" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_76972" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_77739">You could reverse engineer the submarine once you get delivery by measuring it carefully and then feeding the info into the hull and view port calculators available on the web site. That would be the best way of determining the safe operating depth. The pictures show there is no internal ribbing which will be a limiting factor for the hull. I don't recall if Les used acrylic for that large main viewport or what the thickness is. That would be one thing I would query him for.</span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_76973"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_76979" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_76978"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_76977"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_76976"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_76975"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_76974"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Shanee Stopnitzky via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, March 12, 2018 8:27 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] newbie looking for core starter info<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_77800"><br><div id="yiv0504357839"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_77799"><div dir="ltr"><div class="yiv0504357839gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;font-size:small;">Thanks for the info! I got it from someone who got it from Les - I've been able to ask him some questions but not a lot yet. I'll have to check out the archives. </div><div class="yiv0504357839gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;font-size:small;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv0504357839gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;font-size:small;">Any thoughts on a max depth for the hull design? We would like to change the front window, and are also looking to purchase one used if anyone has any leads or ideas. </div><div class="yiv0504357839gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;font-size:small;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv0504357839gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;font-size:small;">Best,</div><div class="yiv0504357839gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;font-size:small;">Shanee</div></div><div class="yiv0504357839gmail_extra" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_77798"><br clear="all"><div><div class="yiv0504357839gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><font face="georgia, serif">~~~~^~~^~~~~^~~^~~^~~~~^~~^~~^~~<br clear="none"></font></div><font face="georgia, serif"><>< <>< ) <*III>< <br clear="none">
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fact remains that political frontiers are impervious to our verbal
cultures, while the substantially nonverbal civilization of playfulness
crosses them with the happy freedom of the wind and the clouds.' ~ Primo
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<br clear="none"><div class="yiv0504357839gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_77797">On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 4:13 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv0504357839gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_77811"><div class="yiv0504357839yqt1389691611" id="yiv0504357839yqt65692"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_77810"><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_77809"><div id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37138"><span></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37139"><span id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37141">That sub was built by Les Katschor. You can see some of its development at <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37417" target="_blank" href="http://www.psubs.org/projects/1237526415/twomansub/">http://www.psubs.org/ projects/1237526415/twomansub/</a></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37139"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37139">Did you buy it from Les? He could certainly fill you in on its capabilities. He dived it at the 2012 convention in Michigan. Go to <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://psubs.org/" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_78162">PSUBS.ORG</a> -> Psubs Community -> Video -> 2012 and you will find some footage of him in the submarine.</div><div class="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37024"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yahoo_quoted" id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37059" style="display:block;"> <div id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37058" style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37057" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr" id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37056"> <font id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37055" size="2" face="Arial"> </font><hr id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37054" size="1"> <b id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_38809"><span id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_38808" style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Shanee Stopnitzky via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_78067">personal_submersibles@psubs. org</a>><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_77808">personal_submersibles@psubs. org</a>> <br clear="none"> <b id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37167"><span id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37166" style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, March 12, 2018 6:56 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] newbie looking for core starter info<br clear="none"> </div> <div class="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459y_msg_container" id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37261"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yiv7954160888"><div id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37260"><span class="yiv0504357839"></span><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37259"><div class="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yiv7954160888gmail_default" id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_38654" style="font-family:georgia, serif;font-size:small;">Hi all,</div><div class="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yiv7954160888gmail_default" id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_38652" style="font-family:georgia, serif;font-size:small;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yiv7954160888gmail_default" id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_38650" style="font-family:georgia, serif;font-size:small;">Thanks for the warm welcome! Here are some photos: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_38721" target="_blank" href="https://photos.app.goo.gl/pckEMWuvkcofc4h02">https://photos.app. goo.gl/pckEMWuvkcofc4h02</a></div><div class="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yiv7954160888gmail_default" id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37268" style="font-family:georgia, serif;font-size:small;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yiv7954160888gmail_default" id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37258" style="font-family:georgia, serif;font-size:small;">I know practically nothing about how she was built and she hasn't been delivered yet, but looking forward to finding out what the options and constraints are! </div><div class="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yiv7954160888gmail_default" id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_38719" style="font-family:georgia, serif;font-size:small;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yiv7954160888gmail_default" id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_38717" style="font-family:georgia, serif;font-size:small;">Best,</div><div class="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yiv7954160888gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;font-size:small;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_77950">Shanee </div><div class="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yiv7954160888gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;font-size:small;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_77948"><br clear="none"></div></div><div class="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yiv7954160888gmail_extra" id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37277"><span class="yiv0504357839"><br clear="all"></span><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_77987"><div class="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yiv7954160888gmail_signature" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_77986"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_77985"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_77984"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_77983"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_77982"><font face="georgia, serif" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_77981">~~~~^~~^~~~~^~~^~~^~~~~^~~^~~^ ~~<br clear="none"></font></div><font face="georgia, serif" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_77989"><>< <>< ) <*III>< <br clear="none">
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</div><div><font face="georgia, serif"><br clear="none"></font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif"><br clear="none">'The
fact remains that political frontiers are impervious to our verbal
cultures, while the substantially nonverbal civilization of playfulness
crosses them with the happy freedom of the wind and the clouds.' ~ Primo
Levi <br clear="none"></font></div></div></div></div>
<br clear="none"><div class="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yiv7954160888gmail_quote" id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37276"><span class="yiv0504357839">On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 4:14 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs. org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"></span><blockquote class="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yiv7954160888gmail_quote" id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37275" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yiv7954160888yqt6160850489" id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yiv7954160888yqt94221"><div id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37274"><div id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37273" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><span class="yiv0504357839"></span><div></div>
<div>Hi Shanee, </div><div>Can you post some pictures of your new sub. I for one love pictures of unknown subs and how they are built, as do most of us. </div><div>Hank</div><div id="yiv0504357839m_7663292067945021459yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1520880691086_37272"><br clear="none"></div>
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On Saturday, March 10, 2018, 9:12:11 PM MST, Shanee Stopnitzky via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs. org</a>> wrote:
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fact remains that political frontiers are impervious to our verbal
cultures, while the substantially nonverbal civilization of playfulness
crosses them with the happy freedom of the wind and the clouds.' ~ Primo
Levi <br clear="none"></font></div></div></div></div>
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