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<div>James,</div><div>The old fellow was an inspiration and a real character. He loved working on the boat and probably didn't care if he sailed it. I know I enjoy building my subs more than diving them.</div><div>Hank</div><div><br></div>
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On Friday, February 23, 2018, 4:13:15 AM MST, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:
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<div><div dir="ltr">>"sadly he died and the boat was scrapped. "<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sorry, but that last comment really cheered up my Friday!<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">On 22 February 2018 at 22:22, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"><<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> To Old?<br clear="none">> I had the pleasure of meeting an elderly gentleman that was building a<br clear="none">> sailboat. I was driving down the road one afternoon and and noticed a steel<br clear="none">> hull protruding from a shop. Of coarse I had to investigate, I knocked on<br clear="none">> the door to the house and this little tiny OLD fellow comes out and I ask<br clear="none">> him about the boat. He was in absolute heaven that someone was interested<br clear="none">> in his project. He gave me the grand tour and told me he was 86 or so, I<br clear="none">> can't really remember. He told me he was going to sail around the world in<br clear="none">> this boat. So clearly your never to old, sadly he died and the boat was<br clear="none">> scrapped.<br clear="none">> Hank<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> On Thursday, February 22, 2018, 2:59:17 PM MST, Alec Smyth via<br clear="none">> Personal_Submersibles <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Hah, Ian, you described me! I too have been following this particular sub<br clear="none">> forever, she's my hands-down favorite along with Lula, which of course is no<br clear="none">> coincidence. I grant she's a relatively complex design because being diesel<br clear="none">> electric and having kit like an on-board compressor. If you needed to get<br clear="none">> that diesel out and to a mechanic I'm not sure if it would even be possible<br clear="none">> to pull it all the way through the sub and out the opening for the bow dome.<br clear="none">> Maybe you'd have to cut the hull in half temporarily, like the Navy does<br clear="none">> when they have to service something too large to come out through a hatch.<br clear="none">> But I certainly don't think you would be buying any design flaws. On the<br clear="none">> contrary, she's a masterpiece. And the complexity of the diesel comes with a<br clear="none">> 200 mile range, so there's justification. I see no problem at all with the<br clear="none">> boat, and if you flip through all the way to the photos of the new aluminum<br clear="none">> trailer, it looks to me like she could be launched from a good boat ramp<br clear="none">> without craning in. I think the reason for the low price is just that she's<br clear="none">> not the right sort of sub for a luxury yacht, and is too daunting for<br clear="none">> members of the general public. But don't worry, I've known you for many<br clear="none">> years and can attest you are not in any way representative of the general<br clear="none">> public.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> :)<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Alec<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 4:23 PM, irox via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none">> <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> I've been in love with the S101 for almost 2 decades, I've looked into<br clear="none">> buying it before, following it's journey/ownership over that time.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> But, I get this sense of dread that I would be buying somebody else's<br clear="none">> problems, complexity, design decisions (and possibly design flaws), deferred<br clear="none">> maintenance, misuse, etc.. Or maybe that's because I'm spending more time<br clear="none">> fixing used cars these days than working on my K250 restomod... Only if I<br clear="none">> was younger and less experienced (or jaded). :-)<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> -----Original Message-----<br clear="none">>>From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none">>> <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a> org><br clear="none">>>Sent: Feb 22, 2018 6:08 AM<br clear="none">>>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a><br clear="none">>> org><br clear="none">>>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Marlin s101 for sale $80k (lots of pictures)<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>>would be nice to see it in our community and in action.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>>On 22 February 2018 at 14:08, James Frankland<br clear="none">>><<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jamesf@guernseysubmarine.com" href="mailto:jamesf@guernseysubmarine.com">jamesf@guernseysubmarine.com</a> > wrote:<br clear="none">>>> Hank, why don't you make them a silly offer. $30K or whatever you<br clear="none">>>> think. You never know they may take it. Probably not now, but when<br clear="none">>>> they really need to get rid of it..<br clear="none">>>><br clear="none">>>> On 22 February 2018 at 12:00, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none">>>> <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a> org> wrote:<br clear="none">>>>> Alan, the price is great considering what it would cost to build from<br clear="none">>>>> scratch. I still think it is to much, only because one day it will need<br clear="none">>>>> to<br clear="none">>>>> be sold. The fact that they can't sell it at 80K speaks to the market<br clear="none">>>>> value. It is only worth what someone will pay for it.<br clear="none">>>>> Hugh raises a very good point about it being a sea sick machine. I<br clear="none">>>>> think a<br clear="none">>>>> big lake is a perfect place for it.<br clear="none">>>>> Hank<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 9:46:16 PM MST, T Novak via<br clear="none">>>>> Personal_Submersibles <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a> org> wrote:<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> Hmmm, my budget keeps under $15000cdn. No joy.<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> Tim<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-<br clear="none">>>>> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bounces@psubs.org" href="mailto:bounces@psubs.org">bounces@psubs.org</a>]<br clear="none">>>>> On Behalf Of Alan via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none">>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 6:57 PM<br clear="none">>>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br clear="none">>>>> <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a> org><br clear="none">>>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Marlin s101 for sale $80k (lots of<br clear="none">>>>> pictures)<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> Hank,<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> Tim talks about his plans for an underwater habitat. Something like that<br clear="none">>>>> would<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> be great for the price & it would be mobile! Maybe you could go halves!<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> Alan<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> Sent from my iPad<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> On 22/02/2018, at 3:40 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none">>>>> <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a> org> wrote:<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> Perfect for a huge lake, park in a marina under cover. It can be<br clear="none">>>>> launched<br clear="none">>>>> from the trailer and towed behind my 5 ton. The only thing I don't like<br clear="none">>>>> is<br clear="none">>>>> the depth rating. Still, if the price drops to my comfort zone, I will<br clear="none">>>>> buy<br clear="none">>>>> it.<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> Hank<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 6:19:26 PM MST, Hugh Fulton via<br clear="none">>>>> Personal_Submersibles <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a> org> wrote:<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> Crane in, crane out, time to get to diving spot and back, no surface<br clear="none">>>>> facility. Too big for super-yachts. Too small to be stable in a sea.<br clear="none">>>>> Sea<br clear="none">>>>> sickness rolling etc. Submersibles need to be transportable or else<br clear="none">>>>> submarines. Ask Carsten. At least his is Autonomous. High metacentre<br clear="none">>>>> can<br clear="none">>>>> be hell for rolling even in a slight sea. That is my best guess. Hugh<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-<br clear="none">>>>> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bounces@psubs.org" href="mailto:bounces@psubs.org">bounces@psubs.org</a>]<br clear="none">>>>> On Behalf Of Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none">>>>> Sent: Thursday, 22 February 2018 1:45 PM<br clear="none">>>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br clear="none">>>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Marlin s101 for sale $80k (lots of<br clear="none">>>>> pictures)<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> I wonder what seems to be the problem? Maybe sea keeping issues?<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> Brian<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> --- <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a> org wrote:<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a><br clear="none">>>>> org><br clear="none">>>>> To: emile via Personal_Submersibles <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a> org><br clear="none">>>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Marlin s101 for sale $80k (lots of<br clear="none">>>>> pictures)<br clear="none">>>>> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 16:54:03 +0000 (UTC)<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> Guys,<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> I have spoken with the sales people a couple times and I am getting the<br clear="none">>>>> feeling that they have no idea what they have there. They are learning<br clear="none">>>>> that<br clear="none">>>>> it is very difficult to sell an uncertified sub. It also seems like the<br clear="none">>>>> sub<br clear="none">>>>> has a bad reputation from when it belonged to Sea Shepard. I think the<br clear="none">>>>> sub<br clear="none">>>>> is fantastic.<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> Hank<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 1:24:39 AM MST, emile via<br clear="none">>>>> Personal_Submersibles <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a> org> wrote:<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> Hi Ian,<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> Corrosion or ageing of the domes could be a reason for the de-rating.<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> Br, Emile<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----<br clear="none">>>>> Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-<br clear="none">>>>> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bounces@psubs.org" href="mailto:bounces@psubs.org">bounces@psubs.org</a>]<br clear="none">>>>> Namens irox via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none">>>>> Verzonden: woensdag 21 februari 2018 5:39<br clear="none">>>>> Aan: <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs." href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.">personal_submersibles@psubs.</a> org<br clear="none">>>>> Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Marlin s101 for sale $80k (lots of pictures)<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> For a "ready to dive" diesel electric, $80K sounds like a deal:<br clear="none">>>>> <a shape="rect" href="http://www.boattrader.com/ " target="_blank">http://www.boattrader.com/ </a>listing/1987-marlin-32-diesel-<br clear="none">>>>> electric-s101-manned<br clear="none">>>>> -submarine-102153353<br clear="none">>>>> Lots of pictures. I like submarine pictures.<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> More here as well:<br clear="none">>>>> <a shape="rect" href="https://www.popyachts.com/ " target="_blank">https://www.popyachts.com/ </a>submersible-vessels-for-sale/<br clear="none">>>>> marlin-32-diesel-elec<br clear="none">>>>> tric-s101-manned-submarine-in- vero-beach-florida-40442<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> Seems it has been de-rated from 1000ft operational depth to "max<br clear="none">>>>> operating<br clear="none">>>>> depth is 300 feet".<br clear="none">>>>> Although the wording they use doesn't make perfect sense. For example,<br clear="none">>>>> it<br clear="none">>>>> claims the collapse depth is 1250ft, but I think they are confused with<br clear="none">>>>> test<br clear="none">>>>> depth (per ABS, 125% of operational depth).<br clear="none">>>>> The other ABS claims don't match with my understand of ABS rules either.<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> Perhaps it can still be rated to 1000ft.<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> Regardless, this is a beautiful craft, and I am enjoying the (~500?!)<br clear="none">>>>> pictures.<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> Cheers,<br clear="none">>>>> Ian.<br clear="none">>>>> ______________________________ _________________<br clear="none">>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none">>>>> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs." href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.</a> org<br clear="none">>>>> <a shape="rect" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ " 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