<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500052314589_4109"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500052314589_4108">Here is a tip for any one who is approached by park rangers, Coast Guard or marine police personnel while operating you sub-</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500052314589_4110"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500052314589_4112"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500052314589_4111">Every time this has happened to me (and it has happened a few times) the officer politely asked if I had "permission" to dive a sub (because they honestly didn't know if permission is required or not)</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500052314589_4112" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500052314589_4307">I politely pointed to the Maryland registration and said "this is a vessel registered in the state of MD". </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500052314589_4112"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500052314589_4112" dir="ltr">That was it. They thanked me and said "have a good day".</div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500052314589_4113"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500052314589_4432" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500052314589_4431"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500052314589_4430"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500052314589_4429"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500052314589_4433"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500052314589_4434"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, July 14, 2017 12:34 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Ethical obligation to inform<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500052314589_4462"><br><div id="yiv8312837013"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500052314589_4461"><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500052314589_4460"><div id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_18531"><span></span></div><div id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_18531"><span id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_22102">Sean, exactly!</span></div><div id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_18531"><span><br></span></div><div id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_18531" dir="ltr">PSUBS Design Guidelines for Personal Submersibles</div><div id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_18531" dir="ltr">1 GENERAL</div><div id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_18531" dir="ltr">1.1 Adoption of ABS and ASME Standards</div><div id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_18531" dir="ltr">1.1.1 Applicability.</div><div id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_18531" dir="ltr">Except where defined elsewhere within this document, all designs in whole or in part shall conform to the latest standards defined by the American Bureau of Shipping (ABS) and/or the American Society of Mechanical Engineers (ASME).</div><div id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_18531" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_18531" dir="ltr">PSUBS Construction Guidelines for Personal Submersibles</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_22414">1 GENERAL</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_22415">1.1 Adoption of ABS and ASME Standards</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_22416">1.1.1 Applicability.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_22417">Except where defined elsewhere within this document, all construction and fabrication techniques in whole or in part shall conform to the latest standards defined by the American Bureau of Shipping (ABS) and/or the American Society of Mechanical Engineers (ASME).</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_22417"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_22417">We have already adopted the gold standard for design and fabrication and therefore your question, where is the vaccum in regulations, is exactly on target.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_22417"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_22417">In the USA, personal submarines operate as small boats on the surface and are subject to the same rules as small surface vessels. Submerged, personal submarines are akin to SCUBA and adoption of those rules seems appropriate for reasonable safety during operations.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_22417"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_22417">The word "experimental" emblazoned on a personal submarine accomplishes what? It was adopted for aircraft purposes because the aircraft industry *is* heavily regulated including certifications and licensing...all that we want to avoid. Aircraft are not a proper correlation to personal submarines. The proper correlation is home-built canoes, row-boats, and powered boats; none of which is required to be identified as experimental. There is no logical argument for it when certification is the historical and existing standard. There can only be two possibilities with submarines, certified or not. Therefore, a submarine built by the best commercial fabricator on the planet, which is NOT certified, is identical to a home-built submarine in the context that they are BOTH non-certified vessels. From a regulation perspective it doesn't matter one wit, that one was fabricated in a multi-million dollar facility and the other was fabricated in a two stall garage.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_22417"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_22417">Jon</div> <div class="yiv8312837013qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_18530"><br><br></div><div class="yiv8312837013yahoo_quoted" id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_18526" style="display:block;"> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;" id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_18525"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_18524"> <div dir="ltr" id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_18529"><font size="2" face="Arial" id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_18528"> On Friday, July 14, 2017 10:08 AM, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="yiv8312837013y_msg_container" id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_18523"><div id="yiv8312837013"><div id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_18522"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_18527">Where do they perceive a vacuum in the regulations regarding submarines? Construction standards abound, and existing regulations for small craft should apply (i.e licensing over 10 HP, etc.) Operational rules already exist in the form of the International Regulations for the Prevention of Collisions at Sea. Surfacing / diving as a special consideration would appear to be covered by the requirement for maintaining a competent watch.</div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv8312837013yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500042799188_18521">What specifically do they want to regulate that doesn't already exist?</div>
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