<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body><div>Hank,</div><div><br></div><div>The Aluminaut was constructed in 11, 6.5" thick sections bolted together! Nothing wrong with that engineering.</div><div><br></div><div>Keith T.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div id="composer_signature"><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" dir="auto">Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone</div></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:100%;color:#000000"><!-- originalMessage --><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> </div><div>Date: 6/26/17 5:26 PM (GMT-08:00) </div><div>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> </div><div>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pressure Test </div><div><br></div></div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div><span>Greg,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1498522847649_3451"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1498522847649_3450">Being a non engineer, I am a copy cat, that is how I built Elementary 3000, I listened to what Sean had to say, I studied Scotts P6 and even duplicated Scott's P6 port and frame. You could take my port and fit it in Scotts sub. I stole the port in the Hatch Idea. The only idea I have had is to glue and bolt the whole thing together. Trieste has a second sphere from new and it is made from 3 perfectly machined sections.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1498522847649_3451">Hank</div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Monday, June 26, 2017 5:56 PM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv7927095138"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498520104705_4414"><span id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498520104705_4413">I had the pleasure of meeting him at Nat Geo when Jim C was there with the sub and gave a talk. Ron is THE MAN! Probably the most knowledgeable DEEP sub builder today. If you're serious about Titanic, find out EVERYTHING you can about the way he put that sub together.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498520104705_4414"><span id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498520104705_5353">One thing he told me was never used silicone grease on a viewport and added that "it is the worst". Through testing, Ron discovered that a lot of accepted standards and practices about deep sub construction are actually not correct.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498520104705_4414"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498520104705_4414"><span>Greg</span></div><div class="yiv7927095138qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498520104705_4278"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv7927095138yahoo_quoted" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498520104705_4992" style="display:block;"> <div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498520104705_4991" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> <div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498520104705_4990" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv7927095138yqt3796256681" id="yiv7927095138yqt16715"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498520104705_4989"> <font id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498520104705_4988" size="2" face="Arial"> </font><hr id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498520104705_4987" size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 26, 2017 7:32 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pressure Test<br clear="none"> </div> <div class="yiv7927095138y_msg_container" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498520104705_5800"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv7927095138"><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498520104705_5799"><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498520104705_5798" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div><span>Greg,</span></div><div><span>Do you know Ron personally, were you involved with the port?</span></div><div><span>Hank</span></div> <div class="yiv7927095138qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv7927095138yahoo_quoted" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498520104705_5797" style="display:block;"> <div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498520104705_5796" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> <div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498520104705_5795" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv7927095138yqt6890063592" id="yiv7927095138yqt95350"><div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Monday, June 26, 2017 4:25 PM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv7927095138y_msg_container" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498520104705_5794"><div id="yiv7927095138"><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498520104705_5793"><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498520104705_5792" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5217"><span id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5373">Hank,</span></div><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5217"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5217"><span id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5374">The steel that Ron choice was actually much stronger than HY-100. Here is an article you might find interesting-</span></div><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5217"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5217"><span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.ansys.com/-/media/Ansys/corporate/resourcelibrary/article/AA-V6-I3-Deep-Dive.pdf">http://www.ansys.com/-/media/Ansys/corporate/resourcelibrary/article/AA-V6-I3-Deep-Dive.pdf</a><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5217"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5217"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div class="yiv7927095138qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5377">Greg<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv7927095138yahoo_quoted" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5408" style="display:block;"> <div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5407" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> <div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5406" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv7927095138yqt1067001256" id="yiv7927095138yqt71703"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5405"> <font id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5416" size="2" face="Arial"> </font><hr id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5417" size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 26, 2017 5:57 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pressure Test<br clear="none"> </div> <div class="yiv7927095138y_msg_container" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5421"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv7927095138"><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5425"><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5424" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div><span>Greg,</span></div><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5423"><span id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5422">Thank you for the acrylic offer, that would be great, of coarse I will be looking to you for </span>annealing. </div><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498513530809_3979">The CNG sphere at 48 in ID and 3.25 in thick could do it but it would be past the safe woking pressure witch is 4444.8 psi just shy of 10,000 feet</div><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498513530809_3978">The sphere your talking about was probably exotic steel like HY-100</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498513530809_3977">Edmonton Exchanger did say they would press a HY steel head for me but foam is cheaper I think.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498513530809_3976">Pity about the CNG sphere because they have a life of 300 years and I can pick one up in Texas for 8K</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498513530809_3935">Hank</div> <div class="yiv7927095138qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5426"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv7927095138yahoo_quoted" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5431" style="display:block;"> <div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5430" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> <div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5429" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv7927095138yqt4884187619" id="yiv7927095138yqt91414"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5428"><font id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5427" size="2" face="Arial"> On Monday, June 26, 2017 3:20 PM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv7927095138y_msg_container" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5434"><div id="yiv7927095138"><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5433"><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498515749852_5432" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_4140"><span id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_4211">Hank,</span></div><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_4140"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_4140"><span id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_4212">I'm surprised to hear you say that the CNG sphere is too light. My "seat of the pants" engineering tells me that a CNG sphere would be plenty. Are you sure its too light? If memory serves me correctly, the sphere that Ron Allum made was 42" OD x 2.5" thick gun barrel steel and had a 1.4/1 safety factor at 38,000 ft.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_4140"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_4140"><span id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_4795">What thickness acrylic do you need for the port? I'll donate a piece of 4" to the cause if that will help.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_4140"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_4140"><span id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_4939">Greg</span></div><div class="yiv7927095138qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_4141"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv7927095138yahoo_quoted" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_4489" style="display:block;"> <div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_4488" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> <div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_4487" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv7927095138yqt1827963074" id="yiv7927095138yqt04500"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_4486"> <font id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_4485" size="2" face="Arial"> </font><hr id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_4484" size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 26, 2017 4:10 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pressure Test<br clear="none"> </div> <div class="yiv7927095138y_msg_container" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_5016"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv7927095138"><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_5015"><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_5014" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_5033"><span>Greg, </span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498507055074_8753"><span id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498507055074_8752">I do not have a plan for getting on site. I have a plan to get there, East Coast that is. I can haul it cross country myself.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498507055074_8680"><span id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498507055074_8751">Right now it is a dream really, not a plan. But Elementary 3000 started that way. I do have it mostly figured out, and I have an EFA guy lined up through Karl Stanley. I will have two heads pressed and machined at Edmonton Exchanger in Edmonton Alberta. My original CNG sphere plan is to light. </span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498507055074_8679"><span id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498507055074_8678">I think the getting on site part will evolve, I am sure money will make that happen easily.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498507055074_8677">Thanks' for calling it "interesting" and not ridiculous. ;-)</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498507055074_8677">Hank</div> <div class="yiv7927095138qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_5029"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv7927095138yahoo_quoted" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_5013" style="display:block;"> <div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_5012" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> <div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_5011" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv7927095138yqt4438423139" id="yiv7927095138yqtfd17765"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_5028"><font id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_5027" size="2" face="Arial"> On Monday, June 26, 2017 12:01 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv7927095138y_msg_container" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_5010"><div id="yiv7927095138"><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_5009"><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_5026">Thanks David,</div><div id="yiv7927095138AppleMailSignature">I get 7000 lumens. Have a dimmer control for it but</div><div id="yiv7927095138AppleMailSignature">haven't tried it yet.</div><div id="yiv7927095138AppleMailSignature">Alan<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</div><div class="yiv7927095138yqt2732055148" id="yiv7927095138yqt72360"><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_5025"><br clear="none">On 27/06/2017, at 3:08 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_5023" type="cite"><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_5022"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_5024">Hi Alan, Looks great!, what Lumens did you get with this design?<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv7927095138gmail_extra" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_5021"><br clear="all"><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_5020"><div class="yiv7927095138gmail_signature" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_5019"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_5018"><div id="yiv7927095138yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498511159542_5017">Best Regards,<br clear="none">David Colombo<br clear="none"><img src="http://static.squarespace.com/static/533310a9e4b0fba62008a464/t/5339c1f2e4b041bac4e25d1b/1396294132055/?format=500w" height="110" width="200" id="1498524068990"><br clear="none">804 College Ave<br clear="none">Santa Rosa, CA. 95404<br clear="none">(707) 536-1424<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.seaquestor.com/">www.SeaQuestor.com</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div>
<br clear="none"><div class="yiv7927095138gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 4:48 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv7927095138gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div id="yiv7927095138m_-583211107394722100yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1498476782388_5708"><span></span></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>