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<DIV>Rick,</DIV>
<DIV>He was referring to a Pulse Width Modulator to adjust the amount of
power going to the lights.</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 3/29/2017 11:29:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
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<DIV dir=ltr>Alec,
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<DIV>I just met a guy in California that made his own underwater housing and
LED lighting system for doing video and he is using an LED board that is about
3" square. He has built a PWM for it so he can dim it down and says it's a
10,000 luman 100 watt system that runs on 32 volts.</DIV>
<DIV> I don't know what a PWM is but he said that I didn't necessarily
have to have one. I can step my thruster motor supply down from 36V but one of
my concerns is how to get rid of the heat. He didn't seem to be too
forthcoming with the system he built. I think the LED array was something like
$15 each on Amazon. How are you controlling the heat in your housings and do
you think I would need a PWM for my lite?</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Alec Smyth via
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<DIV dir=ltr>My lights are done, I put them on Shackleton earlier today and
they are wired through the hull with penetrators. However, the wires end
inside the hull because I'm waiting for the drives to arrive, which will be
installed inside the sub. I was able to test them with a lab type power
supply on a table top, and must say these Bridgelux leds are like a little
sun in a can, I love them. These two lights I made are 5K lumens, and I
already have 10K lumen Bridgeluxes which I bought by mistake. So I'll test
these, and probably make another set with those more powerful ones. If I do,
the 10Ks will be the forward lights and the 5Ks will be oriented out to the
sides for "peripheral vision". A dimmable driver is sounding like a good
idea, or maybe just sunglasses!
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<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Alec</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 9:10 PM, Alan via
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<DIV>Thanks Hank,</DIV>
<DIV id=m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011AppleMailSignature>Alec
has been making good progress with Cliff's light.</DIV>
<DIV id=m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011AppleMailSignature>Last
I heard 2 housings were being anodised.</DIV>
<DIV id=m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011AppleMailSignature>Any
update Cliff / Alec ?</DIV><SPAN>
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<DIV><BR>On 30/03/2017, at 1:30 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Arial>On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:15
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<DIV>Still building lights Hank,</DIV>
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built a couple of housings but are doing a third revision &</DIV>
<DIV
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this one will be perfect. I am pretty happy with how it's going.</DIV>
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getting a different LED driver made up with PWM dimming.</DIV>
<DIV
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off the motor project temporarily as my brother wanted one of</DIV>
<DIV
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lights for his boat. 😐</DIV>
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<DIV><BR clear=none>On 30/03/2017, at 12:35 PM, hank pronk via
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you back to work on your motor? or are you still building
lights?</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Arial>On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:44
PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<A
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Greg</SPAN></DIV>
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id=m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532yui_3_16_0_1_1490826278870_10947>Alan,
my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals. The
important part is to keep the oil inside the motor. When the
motor starts up at the surface, there is significant centrical force
that pushes the oil out with the seal in its original
orientation. I should actually remove one of the seals and just
have one seal holding oil in, just like a submersible well pump
has. Those pumps are VERY reliable. Now having said all
this, I could be wrong ;-) Stay tuned for test
results.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Arial>On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31
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<DIV>How are you doing that Hank?</DIV>
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you compensating the gap between the two seals?</DIV>
<DIV
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you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motors</DIV>
<DIV
id=m_8600908172022355412m_-6564151286403232011yiv1499697532AppleMailSignature>where
one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depth</DIV>
<DIV
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Alan<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>Sent from my iPad</DIV>
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<DIV><BR clear=none>On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via
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points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil
filling. I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors
for Elementary. One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps
the water out. I am confident this in addition to the
compensation system will make for a clean leak proof set up.
The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should be open
in a week or so. I will know then if my idea
works.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Arial>On Wednesday, March 29, 2017
7:03 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles <<A
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dir=ltr>I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for
compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and
rubber to harden and become brittle.</DIV>
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dir=ltr>Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil
compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very
visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using
trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil
without leaks.</DIV>
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dir=ltr>Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it
actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also
been using air compensation for a long time without problems.<BR
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bottle of air lasts for many dives.</DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; COLOR: #000000">On
a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. <BR
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style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; COLOR: #000000">On
motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. </SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; COLOR: #000000">Mineral
oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight.
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40</DIV>
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<DIV
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Carsten, </DIV>
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I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire. It's not as
flammable as I thought it would be. I think they have improved
it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat
flammable however. </DIV>
<DIV>I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors.</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; COLOR: #000000">Heat
Vapor is may a problem with WD40. </SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; COLOR: #000000">May
ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. <BR
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; COLOR: #000000">We
change to silicon oil for that reason. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; COLOR: #000000">vbr
Carsten </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed
to be very happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build
up out of the motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor
was, it is open at one end where it mates to the gear
box. I was able to fill it up without it leaking out
anywhere. That could be an issue later when I want the mineral
oil to fill all the voids. I might need to actually drill
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