<div dir="ltr">Hi Brian,<div><br></div><div>I found a place in PA that was literally one tenth the price I was quoted locally, and have used them several times. Here's the website: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mzanodizing.com%2F&source=maps&cd=1&usg=AFQjCNG5wSDrwgCIxq8HoiNDbujFpF_Cog&sig2=DKPINfmrYFqWL9Q2_PJrzQ&ved=1t%3A3443%2Cp%3AwIyaWPDDKMiNmQHSgoeADQ" class="gmail-widget-pane-link" style="font-size:13px;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:none;font-variant-numeric:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-family:roboto,arial,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;list-style:none;overflow:visible;color:rgba(0,0,0,0.870588)">mzanodizing.com</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br>Alec</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div>Just got a price for anodizing in Idaho   --       one third the cost !!!    Going to visit my daughter there, so may not have to pay for shipping !!</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Brian   </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>  <br><br>--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a> wrote:<br><br>From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>><span class=""><br>To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] anodising<br></span>Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2017 12:44:24 -0800<br><br></div><div><div class="h5"><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div>I'm seriously thinking about going out of state for anodizing.  Probably cheaper including shipping.</div><div> </div><div>Brian<br><br>--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a> wrote:<br><br>From: Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>><br>To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] anodising<br>Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 09:37:10 +1300<br><br></div><div><div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Emile,</span></div></div><div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">That is a nice Anodiser doing quality stuff.   You are lucky to have facilities like that.  In New Zealand we do not have enough industry for supporting that.  We are not much better than Fiji.  But nice views and walking tracks!!</span></div></div><div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span> </div><div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Hugh</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span> <div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"></div></div><div></div><div><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> Personal_Submersibles [mailto:<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles-<wbr>bounces@psubs.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>emile via Personal_Submersibles<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 5 February 2017 2:56 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] anodising</span></div><div> <div></div><div></div><div><span lang="NL" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Brain,</span></div><div><span lang="NL" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span> </div><div><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">That is a pity . the process itself is not very expensive. </span></div><div><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">My anodizer (<a href="http://ko-ar.nl/en/anodising/" t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i, 03 Feb 2017 18:01:31 -0700</span></p><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Brian - are you operating in salt or fresh water?  All of the vehicles I have worked on, for deployment in seawater, used 6061-T6 aluminum components, hard anodized black, and additionally protected with zinc anodes mounted to appropriately prepared (i.e. unanodized) surfaces.</span></div><div></div><p></p><p style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Sean</span></p><div></div><div></div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">On February 3, 2017 5:06:50 PM MST, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:</span><div><div></div></div><div></div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Alan,  </span><div></div><div></div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">            Now you've got me thinking that I might be able to get away with out anodizing my 6061 aluminum.  The data that I've been looking at shows good corrosion resistance for the 6061.  Hmm... I guess I could just try it out and see what happens !  Worst that could happen is I might have to replace the parts down the line.  </span><div></div><div></div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> <div></div><div></div></div></div></div></div><p></p><p style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Brian<br><br>--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a> wrote:<br><br>From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>><br>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] anodising<br>Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 23:07:54 +0000 (UTC)</span></p><div><div></div></div><div></div><p></p><p style="background:white"><span lang="NL" style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:9.5pt">I am looking at free machining aluminium rod as one of the options for my light housing.</span></p><div></div><div></div><p></p><p style="background:white"><span lang="NL" style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:9.5pt">It is sold as 2011 T3 to T6. Is this suitable for hard anodizing?</span></p><div></div><div></div><p></p><p style="background:white"><span lang="NL" style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:9.5pt">It is no good for welding.</span></p><div></div><div></div><p></p><p style="background:white;margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="NL" style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:9.5pt">Alan</span></p><div align="center" style="text-align:center"><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><hr width="100%" size="1" align="center"></span></div><div></div><div><b><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>><br><b>To:</b> 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>> <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 4, 2017 10:51 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] scrubber performance</span><div></div><div></div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> <div><div><div><div></div></div></div></div><div></div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Brian,</span><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span><div></div><div></div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">While Emile has a good anodiser there are many lousy ones out there.  Generally anodising will add thickness.  Half goes into the metal and half goes on the outside.  Depending on the clearance or fit of your threads depends whether you have a problem  We anodise but have to allow for clearance..  The Anodisers I have available are very commercial and we have had issues affecting O’ring sealing so pick your anodiser carefully.  On a class 3 thread fit you cannot get complacent as 50 microns thickness is still 0.002” so a thread will have a much greater effect  While 50 microns is only 25 microns increase it means! 100 microns on clearance diameter if both male and female are anodised..  There are some new processes which claim will not add thickness such as diamondysing but that process is added ontop of normal anodising.  I would ask Emile what actual process his anodiser uses.  We would need to go to an aircraft certified anodiser.   We do our own hard anodising.  Pulse anodising will produce better results.  Hugh </span><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span><div></div><div></div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> <div><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:currentColor;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><div></div></div></div></div><div></div><div><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> Personal_Submersibles [<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org" target="_blank">mailto:personal_submersibles-<wbr>bounces@psubs.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>emile via Personal_Submersibles<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 4 February 2017 7:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] scrubber performance</span><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span><div></div><div></div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> <div></div><div></div><div><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Brian, </span><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span><div></div><div></div><div><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> <div></div><div></div><div><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">A good Anodizer can keep it the same size . With 30-50 Micron  thickness there can be some Microns “growth” </span><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span><div></div><div></div><div><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Not a issue for O-rings and threads.</span><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span><div></div><div></div><div><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">My anodize offers a Teflon dip after anodizing to make it more water repellant.</span><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span><div></div><div></div><div><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> <div></div><div></div><div><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Emile</span><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span><div></div><div></div><div><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> <div><div></div></div><div></div><div><b><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Van:</span></b><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> Personal_Submersibles <a href="mailto:[mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org]" target="_blank">[mailto:personal_submersibles-<wbr>bounces@psubs.org]</a> <b>Namens </b>Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles<br><b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 3 februari 2017 18:05<br><b>Aan:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] scrubber performance</span><div></div><div></div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> <div><div><div></div></div></div><div></div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Cliff,                 Will I have to worry about threads or o ring tolerances after the process?   </span><div><div></div></div><div></div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> <div><div style="margin-bottom:12pt"></div></div><div></div><div><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Brian <br><br>--- </span><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> wrote:<br><br>From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <</span><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">><br>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <</span><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">><br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] scrubber performance<br>Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 10:45:26 -0600</span><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span><div><div><div></div></div></div><div></div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Brian, I am not a corrosion expert but have found that hard anozizing (Mil-A-8625 type III) seems to work fine for my parts.  My experience is that PSUB stuff gets banged around a lot so addeded thinckness and hardness that comes from Mil-A-8625 type III seems to work out better.  Most of my marine experience has been in fresh water lakes so we really need to get someone with a lot of saltwater experience to chime in.  Also most psubbers don't leave their boats in the water all the time and rinse off the boat after use.  This also tends to mitigate corrosion.</span><div><div></div></div><div></div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> <div><div></div></div><div></div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Cliff</span><div><div></div></div><div></div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> <div><div></div></div><div></div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:</span><div><div><div></div></div></div><div></div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Cliff,   Is the Mil-A-8625 type III class 2 black  anodizing sufficient for exposure to sea water?  Using 6061 aluminum. </span><div><div></div></div><div></div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> <div><div></div></div><div></div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Brian</span><div><div style="margin-bottom:12pt"></div></div><div></div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br><br>--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a> wrote:<br><br>From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>><br>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] scrubber performance<br>Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 09:30:18 -0600</span><div><div></div></div><div></div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Sounds like you are having fun coming up to speed on PLCs. Get your wife to take the video of your hand waving.  We would all appreciate the entailment value!  It a lot of fun to bench test components being operated by PLC and see them come to life based on your code.  As to compass heading, roll, pitch and yaw sensor, I use the Ocean-server <a href="http://www.ocean-server.com/compass.html" target="_blank">http://www.ocean-server.com/<wbr>compass.html</a>   OS5000-S Solid State tilt compensagted 3 axes digital compass,  This is a RS-232 serial device. You have to write som! e PLC ladder logic code to parse the ASCII string sent to the PLC to extract the data,  I packaged mine in a small 1-atm aluminum anadoized pod about the size of a tennis ball that I have mounted outside the steel pressure hull behind the pilot.  Even though the DoMore CPU you are using has several serial input ports that could be used for this sensor, I ended up getted a dedicated coprocessor module that plugs into one of the AutomationDirect PLC bases that enables me to write the parsing code in BASIC and enables me to dedicate the coprocessor to this sensor.  It took me a while to come up to speed on RS-232 comuncations but I now have this working petty much bullet proof.  The coprocedssor then sends the heading, pitch, roll and yaw values to the PLC cpu to be used any way you want them.  Currently, I am only using this data on my HMI.</span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p></p><h3><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Cliff</span></h3><div><div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </div></div></div><div><div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:52 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:</span></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Hi Cliff,</span></div></div></div></div><div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Its been slow going as I am finishing building my home. Should be finished in 45 days. But I have been making progress as I learn PLC coding and ladder logic in the evenings. Currently I am working thru the flight Joy Stick switch controls combined with a 4 position joystick base to control the (2) forward canard wings, (2) vertical thrusters  (2) horizontal thrusters, and (2) vectored rear thrusters to have a flight experience. I spend many hours in the evening when my wife is not looking waving my hands thru the air simulating flight and then coding the switches needed to make the mane! uver. I'm sure it would be entertaining to record a video.  I am curious, are you using any gyroscopic sensors for pitch and roll? I'm thinking I need to have some build into the coding so as to limit my human abilities as safety overrides. </span></div></div></div><div style="margin-bottom:12pt"><p style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">The next step is to get a bench setup with the joystick and canard wings to run tests on the coding and for flight training purposes. Just need to finish the house first. Mean while I'll be waving my hands in the air for a while.</span></p></div></div><div><div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin-bottom:12pt"><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Best Regards,<br>David Colombo<br><img width="200" height="110" src="http://static.squarespace.com/static/533310a9e4b0fba62008a464/t/5339c1f2e4b041bac4e25d1b/1396294132055/?format=500w" border="0"><br>804 College Ave<br>Santa Rosa, CA. 95404<br><a href="tel:(707)%20536-1424" value="+17075361424" target="_blank">(707) 536-1424</a><br><a href="http://www.seaquestor.com/" target="_blank">www.SeaQuestor.com</a></span></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </div></div><div><div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:</span></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">David, hope that you have made some progress on the design work for SeaQuester. When I first installed life support on the R300, I had sensors distributed all over the boat.  What I have move to is packaging all the Life Support related sensors in a single electrical box I call the AMOC module.  AMOC is an acronym for Air Management and Oxygen Control. This made it easier to maintain the system and made it easy to bench test. I feed HP O2 from an external tank to! this box.  It in turn breaks the pressure and emits the O2 to keep the mole percent balanced.  The PLC interfaces with the AMOC unit to monitor and control the air in the cabin. If you are interested, send me your email address to <a href="mailto:cliffordredus@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">cliffordredus@sbcglobal.net</a> and I will send you the DCI for the drawings associated with the AMOC  unit and the drawings.  The axial flow scrubber I use is the same one Alec used for Snoopy.  It has worked great. The PLC ladder logic code around the life support system is pretty straight forward.  What I like about the system is that it automatically compensates for different sized humans in the boat but yet retains a manual mode in the event both the main and auxiliary power are lost.  The assembly drawing for the AMOC unit details all the sensors as well as all the Swagelok fittings and circular disconnect.  This unit should work well with the AutomationDirect DoM! ore CPU you have.</span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </div></div></div><div><div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Cliff</span></div></div></div><div><div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </div></div></div><div><div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:50 PM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:</span></div></div></div><div><div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Cliff, Thanks for answering the question I was just going to ask.  Did you build any special case to mount for replacement? I need to back and see the line of code you used so I can use it in my DoMore PLC</span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin-bottom:12pt"><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Best Regards,<br>David Colombo<br><img width="200" height="110" src="http://static.squarespace.com/static/533310a9e4b0fba62008a464/t/5339c1f2e4b041bac4e25d1b/1396294132055/?format=500w" border="0"><br>804 College Ave<br>Santa Rosa, CA. 95404<br><a href="tel:(707)%20536-1424" value="+17075361424" target="_blank">(707) 536-1424</a><br><a href="http://www.seaquestor.com/" target="_blank">www.SeaQuestor.com</a></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </div></div><div><div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 2:46 PM, via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:</span></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">I have had good performance from this company but with their K30 sensor.  $85 and does give 0-5v analog output signal.  It span is 0-10,000 ppm (0-2%).</span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </div></div></div><div><div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Cliff<br><br>Sent from my iPad</span></div></div></div><div><div><div><div style="margin-bottom:12pt"><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br>On Feb 2, 2017, at 2:37 PM, River Dolfi via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:</span></div></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin-bottom:12pt"><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">I did side-by-side tests on several low-cost ambient CO2 sensors when I was doing air quality instrumentation work, and I eventually settled on these units from COZIR. <br><a href="http://www.co2meter.com/products/cozir-0-2-co2-sensor" target="_blank">http://www.co2meter.com/<wbr>products/cozir-0-2-co2-sensor</a></span></div></div></div></div><div style="margin-bottom:12pt"><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">They're only about $70US, have bui! lt in self calibration, super reliable, and have very low current draw compared to other sensors. The big rub is that it isn't analog output, but serial.</span></div></div></div></div><div style="margin-bottom:12pt"><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">You would have to interface it with a microcontroller (which is an easy enough job with a $20 Arduino) and have it set up to display to an LCD, trip an alarm at critical levels, possible demand control of the scrubber, other sensors, etc.</span></div></div></div><div><div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">I have an identical system built for the health department currently running 70 (70!!!) of these sensors and others on battery power across the city in the elements. They are that good.</span></div></div></div><div><div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </div></div></div><div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">I recently found about half of a medical scrubber in a dumpster, so I've been thinking about life support lately.</span></div></div></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.<wbr>org</a><br><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo.cgi/personal_<wbr>submersibles</a></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div style="margin-bottom:12pt"><div><span lang="NL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-s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