<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2581">Hank,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2584" dir="ltr">is it a simple diaphragm or rolling diaphragm?</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2582" dir="ltr">There are rolling diaphragm compensators with switches to show low oil,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2608" dir="ltr">that look easy to make.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2609" dir="ltr">Below are some from Silvercrest. Note that they start at 270cc in size which is</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2610" dir="ltr">reasonably small.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2611" dir="ltr">Alan</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2642" style='color: rgb(255, 255, 0); text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 21px; font-style: normal; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 0px; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;'><u id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2643">Oil Compensator Units.</u></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2644" style='color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: bold; margin-bottom: 0px; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;'>Silvercrest / Submersible Motor Engineering supply oil compensator units for subsea vehicles, to suit manned submersibles, ROVs, submarines, subsea trenchers and subsea ploughs, and subsea equipment.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2645" style='color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 0px; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;'>We can offer a range of oil compensation unit sizes, including a 2.7L Compensator. 7 x 1/4" NPT (BSPT). SA-HC-0745-MAS.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2646" style='color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: bold; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;'> </div><div align="left" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2647" style='color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: bold; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;'><img width="400" height="245" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2648" src="http://www.silvercrestsubmarines.co.uk/images/image002_009.jpg" data-id="fa91f022-0c33-1709-e457-f7c1fa1a6306"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2649" style='color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: bold; margin-bottom: 0px; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;'> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2650" style='color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;'>This is a rolling diaphragm, positive pressure compensator (2700cc capacity), manufactured in corrosion resistant plastic suitable for ROV and tooling applications.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2651" style='color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 0px; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;'>These units are particularly suitable for compensating thrusters, compensating oil filled junction boxes, compensating valve packs, and other subsea applications</div><ul id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2652" style='color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: bold; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;'><li id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2653">Size - 270cc, 2700 cc, and 13.5L</li><li id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2654">Delrin Plastic Construction</li><li id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2655">Grade 316 Stainless Steel Spring</li><li id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2656">Adjustable Pressure Relief Valve</li><li id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2657">Mounting Feet</li><li id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2658">Low Level Proximity Sensor Option</li></ul><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2659" style='color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;'> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2660" dir="ltr"><br><br> </div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2473" style="display: block;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2472" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2471" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2522" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2523" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2592"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December 15, 2016 4:46 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] motor seal<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481741610290_2470"><br><div id="yiv7917687429"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div id="yiv7917687429yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481728517066_17299"><span>One more detail I forgot to mention, there is a spring loaded </span>diaphragm at the bottom of the oil filled motor that would create a small internal pressure that would help the seal. Alan mentioned there is a 4 psi internal pressure on purpose built thrusters, that would coincide with the pump arrangement.</div><div id="yiv7917687429yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481728517066_17299">Hank</div> <div class="yiv7917687429qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv7917687429yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div class="yiv7917687429yqt5939476948" id="yiv7917687429yqt53902"><div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 8:28 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv7917687429y_msg_container"><div id="yiv7917687429"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div><span>Alec,</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>There must be a reason the seal in the pump motor is backward to the Minn Kota. The pump motor is designed to be oil filled under water and the Minn Kota is designed to be air filled under water. If we want the Minn Kota to act the same as the pump motor, it may be </span>beneficial to copy the pump arrangement.</div><div dir="ltr">I don't know, this is above my pay grade ;-)</div><div dir="ltr">Hank</div> <div class="yiv7917687429qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv7917687429yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div class="yiv7917687429yqt6210012653" id="yiv7917687429yqtfd12049"><div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 7:57 AM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv7917687429y_msg_container"><div id="yiv7917687429"><div><div dir="ltr">Hi Hank,<div><br clear="none"></div><div>I don't know anything about submersible pumps, but might it just be that the high pressure is on the inside in that application? For oil compensation I did not reverse the seals. If the pressure differential is less than what the seal can tolerate, I really see no reason to change anything or to provide positive pressure (which could blow a seal out). I would just fill the space between the double seals with grease and that's it.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Best,</div><div><br clear="none">Alec</div></div><div class="yiv7917687429gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv7917687429gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 8:16 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv7917687429gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div class="yiv7917687429yqt9598038269" id="yiv7917687429yqt89629"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div id="yiv7917687429m_-6833424582479372300yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481720914109_12687">Hi All,</div><div id="yiv7917687429m_-6833424582479372300yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481720914109_12687">I took a submersible pump apart to find that it has one seal and it is backwards compared to the Minn Kota. Maybe the trick is to reverse the seal when the motor is oil filled.</div><div id="yiv7917687429m_-6833424582479372300yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481720914109_12687">Alec, is that what you did, I remember you and Cliff talking about that.</div><span class="yiv7917687429HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"></font></span><div id="yiv7917687429m_-6833424582479372300yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481720914109_12687">Hank</div></div></div></div><br clear="none">______________________________ _________________<br clear="none">
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