<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479772833207_4238"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479772833207_4251">Sounds good Jerry,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479772833207_4254" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479772833207_4253">hope you document it on the psubs site.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479772833207_4346" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479772833207_4348">Sorry about all my typo errors in the last email. My Yahoo</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479772833207_4347" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479772833207_4349">mail is running like a pig, & suddenly doesn't reproduce what</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479772833207_4391" dir="ltr"><span>I type etc.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479772833207_4392" dir="ltr"><span>Alan</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479772833207_4261" dir="ltr"><span></span> </div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479772833207_4252"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479772833207_4232" style="display: block;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479772833207_4231" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479772833207_4230" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479772833207_4307" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479772833207_4306" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Jerry Koontz via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> personal submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>; personal submersibles-request <personal_submersibles-request@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, November 22, 2016 12:34 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 41, Issue 81<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479772833207_4229"><br>Alan,<br>The research that I have done indicates that the Lithium Phosphate batteries do not have the thermal runaway<br>that other Lithium batteries do. Also they last for up to 3000 cycles where lead acid batteries are much less, <br>and that makes the cost lower. I am also waiting to see what develops in the lithium batteries. <br>Just completed building a new poll shed for my build. Now I have to move my lathe and mill into place. I have put in an <br>overhead lift that runs the entire length of the building. <br>The first of my steel should be here in about two or three weeks.<br>Jerry<br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "via Personal_Submersibles" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>To: "personal submersibles" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 4:35:15 PM<br>Subject: Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 41, Issue 81<br><br>Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to<br> <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-request@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles-request@psubs.org">personal_submersibles-request@psubs.org</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-owner@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles-owner@psubs.org">personal_submersibles-owner@psubs.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 41, Issue 76<br> (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 22:31:52 +0000 (UTC)<br>From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles<br> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 41,<br> Issue 76<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:1252872630.1594325.1479767512378@mail.yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:1252872630.1594325.1479767512378@mail.yahoo.com">1252872630.1594325.1479767512378@mail.yahoo.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Jerry,there are lots of submersible manufacturers using lithium batteries.Nuytco are now using them on there Deep Worker 2000.I have a 48V 40ah lifepo4 battery pack for testing my thrusters on.I am holding off from purchasing batteries for my sub build till the last minute, as thereare promising developments with Lithium Sulphur batteries. These have5 x the capacity of lithium iron batteries. Currently they don't demonstrate enoughcharging cycles to be used for electric vehicles, but there are $millions being pouredinto research on this problem by several large players throughout the World.Alan?<br><br> From: Jerry Koontz via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> To: personal submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>; personal submersibles-request <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-request@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles-request@psubs.org">personal_submersibles-request@psubs.org</a>> <br> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 10:14 AM<br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 41, Issue 76<br> <br>Hi all,<br><br>I have been in the process of design for sub now for almost 9 months.<br>I have been reading all the e-mails that come across and have changed my design <br>many times over the course of the last months.<br><br>I am planning on using Lithium Phosphate batteries for the power. Lower weight per unit, physical size, and power cycles.<br>Has anyone tried this yet? What do you all think of this idea.<br>Looking forward to seeing your opinions.<br><br>Jerry Koontz<br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "via Personal_Submersibles" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>To: "personal submersibles" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 10:35:08 AM<br>Subject: Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 41, Issue 76<br><br>Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to<br>????????<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>????????<a href="http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>????????<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-request@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles-request@psubs.org">personal_submersibles-request@psubs.org</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br>????????<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-owner@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles-owner@psubs.org">personal_submersibles-owner@psubs.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br>?? 1. Re: Looking at starting up a Submersible project<br>?? ? ?(emile via Personal_Submersibles)<br>?? 2. Re: Looking at starting up a Submersible project<br>?? ? ?(Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles)<br>?? 3. Re: Looking at starting up a Submersible project<br>?? ? ?(James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles)<br>?? 4. Re: Looking at starting up a Submersible project<br>?? ? ?(via Personal_Submersibles)<br>?? 5. Re: compensating oil (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 09:20:35 +0100<br>From: emile via Personal_Submersibles<br>????????<<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'"<br>????????<<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Looking at starting up a Submersible<br>????????project<br>Message-ID: <008201d243d0$23354d40$699fe7c0$@nl><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Welcome Ludwig,<br><br>?<br><br>Good point to make a sgt.Peppers a little bigger. ?I rebfit it and dived with the sgt. Peppers. For both is 560 mm a bit cramped. 650-700 mm hull dia would be fine. Easy to make is capable for 300 ft.<br><br>Always good to look to K250 or other plans ?to make a start.<br><br>?<br><br>Regards, Emile van Essen<br><br>?<br><br>Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org">personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org</a>] Namens via Personal_Submersibles<br>Verzonden: maandag 21 november 2016 1:58<br>Aan: <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br>Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Looking at starting up a Submersible project<br><br>?<br><br>Hello all, <br><br>?<br><br>I'm looking into building a one person submersible next year but need some help getting started. ?<br><br>?<br><br>The plane is to build it around the size of the Sgt. Peppers submersible but a little bigger. ?(I want it smaller than the K-250). ?Also I'm looking at having a working depth at around 150-200 feet. ?Any suggestions on where to get started? ?Should I by the plans for the K-250 and make it smaller?<br><br>?<br><br>I don't know if it helps or not but I'm located in Lawrence, Kansas. ?<br><br>?? ? ? ? ? ?(And I won't be the first person to build a submersible in Kansas because it looks like that there's a man (Scott Waters) from Salina, KS that built a k-350.)<br><br>?<br><br>If you guys have any questions, I would be happy to answer those for you.<br><br>?<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Ludwig Johanning<br><br>?<br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://www.whoweb.com/pipermail/personal_submersibles/attachments/20161121/b406c412/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://www.whoweb.com/pipermail/personal_submersibles/attachments/20161121/b406c412/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 13:51:53 +0000 (UTC)<br>From: Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles<br>????????<<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Looking at starting up a Submersible<br>????????project<br>Message-ID:<br>????????<<a href="mailto:219B85F470BD7B39.c6dc820d-1030-4680-886e-e3a69c0d22d0@mail.outlook.com" ymailto="mailto:219B85F470BD7B39.c6dc820d-1030-4680-886e-e3a69c0d22d0@mail.outlook.com">219B85F470BD7B39.c6dc820d-1030-4680-886e-e3a69c0d22d0@mail.outlook.com</a>><br>????????<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br><br><br>I know of an original VAST boat someone is trying to sell out here on the East Coast.<br><br><br><br><br><br>Get Outlook for Android<br><br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://www.whoweb.com/pipermail/personal_submersibles/attachments/20161121/faf2f3d3/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://www.whoweb.com/pipermail/personal_submersibles/attachments/20161121/faf2f3d3/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 14:44:30 +0000<br>From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles<br>????????<<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br>????????<<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Looking at starting up a Submersible<br>????????project<br>Message-ID:<br>????????<CAHpB=UD4FJ6Q5ar8BM4mMEEyiNy653HO4aksRJ+wY1pSxuL+<a href="mailto:0Q@mail.gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:0Q@mail.gmail.com">0Q@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>I think emile has a small ish boat requiring refurbishment for sale?<br>Probably worth the cost of shipping it over the pond to not have to build<br>from scratch.<br><br>On 21 November 2016 at 13:51, Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles <<br><a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br>> I know of an original VAST boat someone is trying to sell out here on the<br>> East Coast.<br>><br>><br>> Get Outlook for Android <<a href="https://aka.ms/ghei36" target="_blank">https://aka.ms/ghei36</a>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br>> <a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br>><br>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://www.whoweb.com/pipermail/personal_submersibles/attachments/20161121/312e72d4/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://www.whoweb.com/pipermail/personal_submersibles/attachments/20161121/312e72d4/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 09:55:25 -0500<br>From: via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Looking at starting up a Submersible<br>????????project<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:15887627059-3cbe-8cef@webprd-a85.mail.aol.com" ymailto="mailto:15887627059-3cbe-8cef@webprd-a85.mail.aol.com">15887627059-3cbe-8cef@webprd-a85.mail.aol.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>That really doesn't help me much because I'm planning on moving across the pond in around two years!<br><br><br>I'm looking at a small project that would teach me all the systems so when I move across the pond, I would like to build something along the Euronaut size or a tiny bit smaller.<br><br><br>I've also debated if I should do a wet-sub instead because if I go that route, I wouldn't have to build a pressure hull. ?That would only limit me down to 130 foot allowed for recreational diving.<br><br><br>-Ludwig<br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>Sent: Mon, Nov 21, 2016 8:44 am<br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Looking at starting up a Submersible project<br><br><br><br>I think emile has a small ish boat requiring refurbishment for sale? ?Probably worth the cost of shipping it over the pond to not have to build from scratch.<br><br><br>On 21 November 2016 at 13:51, Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br>I know of an original VAST boat someone is trying to sell out here on the East Coast.<br><br><br><br>Get Outlook for Android<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br><br><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://www.whoweb.com/pipermail/personal_submersibles/attachments/20161121/9717e32c/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://www.whoweb.com/pipermail/personal_submersibles/attachments/20161121/9717e32c/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 5<br>Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:35:29 -0800<br>From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles<br>????????<<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion"<br>????????<<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compensating oil<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20161121083529.F9AE3CC@m0087797.ppops.net" ymailto="mailto:20161121083529.F9AE3CC@m0087797.ppops.net">20161121083529.F9AE3CC@m0087797.ppops.net</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; 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