<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12px"><div><span>Doug,</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470969021214_4287"><span>I think the zodiac is a great idea, you will have to play with an easy way to attach and </span>detach. You might want to consider a CT enclosure like Emile has. That should be easy enough to rig up on Snoopy. The way a K250 is built is not ideal for big seas, but you have options. As mentioned the Clear CT enclosure, you could even look at a K350 style CT with a regular hatch. I would go with a small 18 inch hatch to keep it real light. It would be a piece of cake to add a new removable CT. You could have it as an option, depending on dive conditions. </div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470969021214_4287">Hank</div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Thursday, August 11, 2016 7:29 PM, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv7076601396"><div><div dir="ltr">Prohibited weapons aside, yes I like the idea of going the zodiac route for these reasons: cheap, simple and big bumper. Just not sure how well it would work with a tall/tankish design like Snoopy's. <div><br clear="none"></div><div>Last April we took the Whaler out onto the Atlantic several miles out. That boat is one of the sturdiest boats I've ever set foot on, but at 25 feet, it was getting tossed like a bathtub toy during a temper tantrum (it was a two hands day), and the seas weren't bad that day by any means... 3 foot waves. I'm trying to picture doing anything in the ocean with a support barge and I just can't... unless it were just flat calm. Point for Zodiac design. Maybe two Zodiacs I-beamed together with the sub slung in the middle? ~ Doug S. </div></div><div class="yiv7076601396gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv7076601396gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 8:57 PM, TOM WHENT via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv7076601396gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="yiv7076601396yqt8907456847" id="yiv7076601396yqt16152"><div><br clear="none"><span> </span>Sorry wrong email replied to.<span class="yiv7076601396"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">----- Original Message -----<br clear="none">From: TOM WHENT via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs. org</a>><br clear="none">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs. org</a>><br clear="none"></span><div><div class="yiv7076601396h5">Sent: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 18:55:23 -0600 (MDT)<br clear="none">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub on a Zodiac carrier was AW: Maynard's sub boat<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><span> </span>I was just reading the news article about the terrorist they shot yesterday in Strathroy... It seems they caught him one already and released him on a peace bond - one of the conditions of which was that he had to surrender any firearms and prohibited weapons.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">----- Original Message -----<br clear="none">From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs. org</a>><br clear="none">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs. org</a>><br clear="none">Sent: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 17:43:10 -0600 (MDT)<br clear="none">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub on a Zodiac carrier was AW: Maynard's sub boat<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12px;"><div><span>Hi Doug,</span><div><span>Are you thinking about taking the bottom out of a zodiac and driving the sub into it. That is way better than a barge in my mind. You get the benefit of flotation as well as a big ass bumper. </span><div dir="ltr"><span>I had a crane on a barge and that worked well in the lake but in ocean swells, that barge would beat a sub </span>to death. I used a long sling on the hook so that the sub did not come in contact with steel bouncing around. But lakes are very tame in comparison.<div dir="ltr">Hank<div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div style="display:block;"><div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12px;"><div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:Arial;"> On Thursday, August 11, 2016 4:10 PM, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs. org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></span><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div><div><div><div dir="ltr">Thwarted again by the 250's height! I really like this kind of arrangement for it's simplicity though. And I think as far as keeping it small, this might be the best way to manage launch and recovery in a rough sea state. ~ Doug <div><br clear="none"><div>On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs. org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><span>Yes, came through Carsten.</span><div><span>That's an interesting variation of what I've been suggesting.</span><div><span>I was looking at a K250 on a trailer; and they are fairly deep,</span><div dir="ltr"><span>which would make it hard to design something like this to work</span><div dir="ltr"><span>successfully. </span><div dir="ltr"><span>It might start Cliff thinking, his sub would work well with a </span><span>similar</span><div dir="ltr"><span>design.</span><div dir="ltr"><span>Alan</span><br clear="none"><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div style="display:block;"><div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:Arial;"></span><hr size="1"><strong><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></strong> "<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a> via Personal_Submersibles" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs. org</a>><span><br clear="none"><strong><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></strong> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs. org</a>> <br clear="none"></span><strong><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></strong> Friday, August 12, 2016 7:39 AM<br clear="none"><strong><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></strong> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub on a Zodiac carrier was AW: Maynard's sub boat<br clear="none"><div><br clear="none"><div><div><span></span><div style="margin:0px;"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;text-decoration:none;">First picture. (testfile if the size work on these Psuns mails)<br clear="none"></span><div style="margin:0px;"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;text-decoration:none;"> </span><div style="margin:0px;"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;text-decoration:none;">vbr Carsten</span><div style="margin:0px;"> <div style="margin:0px;"> <div style="margin:0px;"> <div style="margin:0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----<div style="margin:0px;">Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Maynard's sub boat<div style="margin:0px;">Datum: 2016-08-10T17:11:58+0200<div><span></span><div style="margin:0px;">Von: "James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs. org</a>><div style="margin:0px;">An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs. org</a>><div style="margin:0px;"> <div style="margin:0px;"> <div style="margin:0px;"> <div><span></span><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi carsten,<div><br clear="none">It would be great if you could find a picture. Sounds interesting.<div> <div>Regards<div>James<div><br clear="none"><div><span>On 10 August 2016 at 11:47, <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a> via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs. org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"></span><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:#cccccc;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;"><div><span></span><div style="margin:0px;"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;text-decoration:none;">I have done such a concept for SOVI (Shark Observer vecicle) in South Africa. <br clear="none"></span><div style="margin:0px;"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;text-decoration:none;">Was a semi flooding towing RIB behind a Motorboot with over 20 knots towing speed. </span><div style="margin:0px;"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;text-decoration:none;">Will search for a picture. </span><div style="margin:0px;"> <div style="margin:0px;"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;text-decoration:none;">vbr Carsten</span><div style="margin:0px;"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;text-decoration:none;"> </span><div style="margin:0px;"> <div style="margin:0px;"> <div style="margin:0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----<div style="margin:0px;">Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Maynard's sub boat<div style="margin:0px;">Datum: 2016-08-10T06:05:53+0200<div style="margin:0px;">Von: "Alan James via Personal_Submersibles" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org</a>><div style="margin:0px;">An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org</a>><div><div><div style="margin:0px;"> <div style="margin:0px;"> <div style="margin:0px;"> <div><div style="color:#000000;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:#ffffff;"><span></span><div>This was a concept I was thinking about a while back.<div>Excuse the sketch.<div>The idea is to have a boat with twin outboards, & a consul up front.<div>You raise the motors & pump enough water into the side pontoons to be<div dir="ltr">able to drive the sub in & out. Maybe some assistance with a winch<div dir="ltr">when returning would be required. If the unit was designed properly<div dir="ltr">with a floor that could take the weight of the sub, then you could trailer<div dir="ltr">both simultaneously. Alan<div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div style="display:block;"><div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr"><hr size="1"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:small;"><strong><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></strong> k6fee via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"><strong><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></strong> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org</a>> <br clear="none"><span><strong><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></strong> Wednesday, August 10, 2016 2:12 PM<br clear="none"><strong><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></strong> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Maynard's sub boat<br clear="none"></span></span><div><br clear="none"><div><div><span></span><div>Hey, a sub on a sub!! I like it! �<div> <div>Keith T<div> <div> <div> <div><div style="color:#575757;font-size:85%;">Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone<div> <div><div style="color:#000000;font-size:100%;"><span></span><div>-------- Original message --------<div>From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org</a>><div>Date: 8/9/16 6:56 PM (GMT-08:00)<span></span><div>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org</a>><div>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Maynard's sub boat<div> <span></span><div>You mean like this Brian,<div><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/technology/subs/pisces/pisces-training.html">http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/ technology/subs/pisces/pisces- training.html</a><div>I was trying to describe this in an earlier post. <div>Alan<div><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad<span></span><div><br clear="none">On 10/08/2016, at 12:50 pm, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><blockquote><div><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><span></span><div>Seems like there ought to be a way to have another submersible platform which cradles the K boat, then submerge to the bottom leaving the "carrier boat" sitting on the bottom until ur ready to go back home, then link back up with the carrier boat and surface. The carrier boat would need to be big enough to travel on the surface and keep the conning tower well above the surface to avoid flooding. Of course many challenges with something like that.<div> <div>Brian<div> <div><br clear="none"><br clear="none">--- <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org</a> wrote:al<br clear="none"><br clear="none">From: Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org</a>><span><br clear="none">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Maynard's sub boat<br clear="none">Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 20:15:00 -0400<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></span><span></span><div dir="ltr">Thanks for the history Vance, did not know. ~ Doug S. <div><br clear="none"><div><span>On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 7:25 PM, via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"></span><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:#cccccc;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:medium;">I sent a response via phone and haven't seen it. To repeat: I do have some of George's original drawings on his tender. Web's was a takeoff on that design and not terribly successful due to poor load carrying capacity and so on. It worked, but was pretty restricted in what it could do. George's was better, hands down. 44' long as I recall. It started life with China diesels which were achingly slow, and ended up with a couple of junkyard 250 cid Chevy in-line 6 truck engines that worked very well. And were cheap, which was an important consideration for ANY consideration for the Captain. </span></span><div>Vance<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div style="color:black;font-family:helvetica, arial;font-size:10pt;"><span></span><div><div>-----Original Message-----<br clear="none"> From: Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"> To: personal_submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@ psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"> Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2016 5:13 pm<br clear="none"> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Maynard's sub boat<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div><div><div>Did Maynard ever produce/release plans for his sub carrier, Tender Nellie? 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