<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3126"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3125">Doug,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3227" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3226">in the mean time maybe something like a truck inner tube</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3258" dir="ltr"><span>could be temporarily fixed around the conning tower &</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3248" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3247">inflated & deflated by a support diver. It could be stowed</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3166" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3165">as a back up in case, as we experienced, you tow for hours</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3167" dir="ltr"><span>& it's too rough to board.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3225" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3241">I think I have heard of something like that being done, more</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3260" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3259">experienced members might shed a bit of light on that.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3261" dir="ltr"><span>Alan</span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3091"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3109" style="display: block;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3108" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3107" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3210" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3209" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3211"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 8, 2016 7:42 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Inflatable sub support<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3106"><br><div id="yiv6155981885"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3105"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3104" dir="ltr">Yeah, I like the simple logistics/mechanics of a rig like you described here Alan. Let's face it, anything would be better than a full-on tow! I'm often big smoke/no fire when it comes to projects like these, but at the same time, we are going to be hurting in the Keys without something to make entry/egress safer and transit to/from dive locations more efficient. ~ Doug S. </div><div class="yiv6155981885gmail_extra" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3110"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv6155981885gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3111">On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 1:31 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv6155981885gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3114" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div class="yiv6155981885yqt3758240236" id="yiv6155981885yqt04889"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3113"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3112">Doug,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3115">Cliff was thinking about this issue a while back.</div><div>Perhaps a purpose built hard fibreglass hull that conforms to Snoopy's lower hull,</div><div>with an inflatable pontoon attached, but with no back section. ( an inflatable boat</div><div>with the back missing.) Use an air pump to deflate & inflate it. It would probably</div><div>require a winch up front to help the sub get fully on board. If it was strong enough</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3288">you could trailer the sub on this inflatable base.</div><div>It would increase the towing speed & make it easy to board in rough conditions.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3289">Alan</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3290"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</div><div><br clear="none">On 6/08/2016, at 3:13 pm, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3297" type="cite"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3296"><div dir="ltr">Alan, I like that idea (a "pump barge"). Whatever we determine will work, it's gonna have to deal with relatively rough seas. ~ Doug S. </div><div class="yiv6155981885gmail_extra" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3295"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv6155981885gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3294">On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 9:56 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv6155981885gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3293" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3292"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3291">Doug,</div><div>I have seen a number of inflatable pontoon systems for lifting boats</div><div>above the water. They all used pumps to pump out the water.</div><div>I wonder if there is merit in designing an inflatable pontoon that you could</div><div>lower, & drive Snoopy on to, then fill with air & tow. It would</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3298">solve the problem of boarding in rough seas, as you could climb in while</div><div>it was up on the pontoons. The pontoons would also make it easier to</div><div>board without bashing your boat against the sub.</div><div>You would need a large barge if you are looking at hoisting in to the water.</div><div>It wasn't the easiest in perfect conditions in to your canal.</div><div>I think they use a ballasted platform in Hawaii ( similar idea) Scott might confirm </div><div>that as he has just been there.</div><div>Alan</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3299"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</div><span></span><div><br clear="none">On 3/08/2016, at 12:50 pm, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3306" type="cite"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3305"><span></span><div dir="ltr">Good point Alan, wave height is an issue on more than one hand with Snoopy (as I'm sure you're aware). <div><br clear="none"></div><div>BTW, we're starting to look seriously into building or buying a barge for the Keys. We've got to get Snoopy out to the oceanside more quickly than by towing her. ~ Doug S. </div></div><div class="yiv6155981885gmail_extra" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3304"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv6155981885gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3303"><span>On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"></span><blockquote class="yiv6155981885gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1470647780443_3302" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span></span><div><span>Doug,</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>sounds like a cunning plan!</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Be aware that it might work when the water surface is flat,</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>but fail if there is too much of a wave.av</span></div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><span>I'm with Jon on having a descent surface communication system.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Alan</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span></span><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> </font><hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August 3, 2016 8:29 AM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] OTS transducer location<br clear="none"> </div><div><div> <div><br clear="none"><div><div><div dir="ltr">'Sound' thoughts Jon... :) ~ Doug S. </div><div><br clear="none"><div><div>On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><br clear="none">
Nothing wrong with Radio comms on surface, in fact you should have a VHF for ocean water anyway. Depending upon the location of the transducer on the vessel, at the surface you may find you don't have enough water column to communicate effectively. Test first.<br clear="none">
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Dad and I are planning to try a little experiment in regards to the mounting location of Snoopy's transducer array. The idea is to mount the array on a hinged whip behind the hatch. While she's on the surface the transducer will be under the waterline for surfaced communication with surface support (if the boat and sub are out of earshot of one another). When Snoopy submerges, the array's float lifts the mast erect over the sub, becoming the tallest part of the vessel while submerged.<br clear="none">
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Just an idea, but we're keen to try it when we get the chance. One possible drawback is entanglement danger... we've been thinking a lot about that lately. ~ Doug S.<br clear="none">
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