<p dir="ltr">I find the limiting specification for a psub is how you plan to transport your sub. The k250 and k350, and most of the members self designed subs are meant to be trailerable. I have a ford f350 truck with a towing capacity of ~10000 pounds. Subtracting a probable trailer weight of 1000lbs, that leaves a max sub weight of 9000lbs. In a sub cabin volume and total weight are directly correlated, since it must be neutrally buoyant. That means that the biggest sub practically trailerable at 9000lbs has a cabin displacement of ~144 cubic feet (only 4 cubic meters) Or only a little bigger than two phone booths!!! This theoretically limits most psubs to 2 passengers at the most.</p>
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Thanks for invitation probably this kind of trip is obligatory before<br>
starting planing. Hope I will have time to make it. It will be nice to see<br>
some technical stuff. I think that the 3 seater is more than enough for me.<br>
I am really happy that your community are so helpful<br>
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Description fits 100% on Emiles - Nordicsub. vbr Carsten<br>
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Von: "Kamil ?ebrowski via Personal_Submersibles"<br>
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And I see that Emilie have an option on the website to sale a plan for a<br>
sub. I will check that.<br>
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2016-07-16 23:39 GMT+02:00 Kamil ?ebrowski <<a href="mailto:zebros512@gmail.com">zebros512@gmail.com</a><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:zebros512@gmail.com">zebros512@gmail.com</a>> >:<br>
Hi,<br>
<br>
Thank you for a lot of information, You have a right that I should make<br>
trip like this,<br>
<br>
Hmm, as i thinking about requirement list it is simply:<br>
3 person sound great,<br>
dive deep 200m<br>
seas and lakes,<br>
best will be undependly.<br>
Easy to write hard to make.I started read a book Manned Submerisble,<br>
maybe it will help something.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Kamil<br>
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2016-07-16 19:11 GMT+02:00 <a href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a>> via Personal_Submersibles <<br>
<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>
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Hi Kamil, welcome here. Not so so Much Psubers in Europe.<br>
<br>
There is a another two seater in Potsdam near Berlin. Reinhards Nemo<br>
II.<br>
And yes one one man and one fife man in Rostock.<br>
<br>
Before you build something in real steel maybe go Berlin - Rostock -<br>
Amsterdam to get some input.<br>
<br>
Just to purchase some drawings and than convert to someting else make<br>
not so much sence for a custom build.<br>
<br>
First step should be a requirement list.<br>
How many persons ?<br>
Which range in which time?<br>
Dive deep.<br>
Seaworthy or lakes, co caves or all?<br>
Undependly orwith a support boat ?<br>
And so on. A sub for the baltic will look complete different from a<br>
cave diver.<br>
<br>
Berlin:Reinhards 2 Seater with saddle tanks<br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf4DS0r6n44" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf4DS0r6n44</a><br>
<<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf4DS0r6n44" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf4DS0r6n44</a>><br>
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Rostock:My boats.<br>
One man 0,5 t with sadlle tanks and for sale,<br>
second unita is a 70ts Offhsore with diver chamber and for and aft<br>
tanks<br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYaTaWY0dhg" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYaTaWY0dhg</a><br>
<<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYaTaWY0dhg" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYaTaWY0dhg</a>><br>
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Near Amsterdam: Emiles 3 Seater with Saddle tanks<br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2975eaBmYs" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2975eaBmYs</a><br>
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<br>
On a 1-3 Seater I prefer sattle tanks. Boat gets shorter length<br>
and much mors stable on the surface with persons on the deck. .<br>
<br>
There is another boat near Hannover: Lars Boat Comet<br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKgKKrghP5g" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKgKKrghP5g</a><br>
<<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKgKKrghP5g" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKgKKrghP5g</a>><br>
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Vbr Carsten Rostock.<br>
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Yea, I am from Poland. Nice to know, i will contact with him. Thanks<br>
for info. It will be good opportiunity to check how it looks like to<br>
dive;)<br>
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Kamil, a visit to subs in your general area is a great idea if you can find<br>
the time to slip away. 'Manned Submersibles' is an awesome resource as<br>
well, kudos to you for your willingness to do research prior to starting<br>
your first build.<br>
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Without trying to sound discouraging, I want to say that to me, the goals<br>
you outlined in a previous email seem quite ambitious. If you have the<br>
financial means, time/space and necessary fabrication skills, anything is<br>
possible, but for many of us, we're on a "budget" when it comes to all of<br>
those things, so you may find that your dream sub is not practical as a<br>
first build. In my opinion, a K-350 would be a great project for you to<br>
start with, then work your way to a larger sub. Just my thoughts... Doug<br>
S.<br>
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On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 7:16 AM, <a href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a> via<br>
Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Description fits 100% on Emiles - Nordicsub. vbr Carsten<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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> Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub for 2 pexople<br>
><br>
> Datum: 2016-07-16T23:43:12+0200<br>
><br>
> Von: "Kamil ?ebrowski via Personal_Submersibles" <<br>
> <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>
><br>
> An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<br>
> <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> And I see that Emilie have an option on the website to sale a plan for a<br>
> sub. I will check that.<br>
><br>
> 2016-07-16 23:39 GMT+02:00 Kamil ?ebrowski <<a href="mailto:zebros512@gmail.com">zebros512@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
><br>
>> Hi,<br>
>><br>
>> Thank you for a lot of information, You have a right that I should make<br>
>> trip like this,<br>
>><br>
>> Hmm, as i thinking about requirement list it is simply:<br>
>> 3 person sound great,<br>
>> dive deep 200m<br>
>> seas and lakes,<br>
>> best will be undependly.<br>
>> Easy to write hard to make.I started read a book Manned Submerisble,<br>
>> maybe it will help something.<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>> Kamil<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> 2016-07-16 19:11 GMT+02:00 <a href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a> via<br>
>> Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>:<br>
>><br>
>>> Hi Kamil, welcome here. Not so so Much Psubers in Europe.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> There is a another two seater in Potsdam near Berlin. Reinhards Nemo II.<br>
>>><br>
>>> And yes one one man and one fife man in Rostock.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Before you build something in real steel maybe go Berlin - Rostock -<br>
>>> Amsterdam to get some input.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Just to purchase some drawings and than convert to someting else make<br>
>>> not so much sence for a custom build.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> First step should be a requirement list.<br>
>>><br>
>>> How many persons ?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Which range in which time?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Dive deep.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Seaworthy or lakes, co caves or all?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Undependly orwith a support boat ?<br>
>>><br>
>>> And so on. A sub for the baltic will look complete different from a cave<br>
>>> diver.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Berlin:Reinhards 2 Seater with saddle tanks<br>
>>><br>
>>> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf4DS0r6n44" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf4DS0r6n44</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Rostock:My boats.<br>
>>><br>
>>> One man 0,5 t with sadlle tanks and for sale,<br>
>>><br>
>>> second unita is a 70ts Offhsore with diver chamber and for and aft tanks<br>
>>><br>
>>> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYaTaWY0dhg" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYaTaWY0dhg</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRv2Ri4FmiY" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRv2Ri4FmiY</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Near Amsterdam: Emiles 3 Seater with Saddle tanks<br>
>>><br>
>>> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2975eaBmYs" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2975eaBmYs</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On a 1-3 Seater I prefer sattle tanks. Boat gets shorter length<br>
>>><br>
>>> and much mors stable on the surface with persons on the deck. .<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> There is another boat near Hannover: Lars Boat Comet<br>
>>><br>
>>> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKgKKrghP5g" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKgKKrghP5g</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Vbr Carsten Rostock.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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>>> Datum: 2016-07-16T14:09:38+0200<br>
>>><br>
>>> Von: "Kamil ?ebrowski via Personal_Submersibles" <<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>
>>><br>
>>> An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<br>
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>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Yea, I am from Poland. Nice to know, i will contact with him. Thanks for<br>
>>> info. It will be good opportiunity to check how it looks like to dive;)<br>
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