<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12px"><div><span>Very nice! you must have some good drainage worked out.</span></div><div><span>Hank</span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Saturday, July 16, 2016 3:21 PM, emile via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv7057489796"><style>#yiv7057489796 #yiv7057489796 --
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#yiv7057489796 </style><div><div class="yiv7057489796WordSection1"><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">Hank, </span></div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">No inflatable ct extension needed. The free flooding outer sail works perfect! (idea stolen from the S103 Lula)</span></div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">The sub can probable handle 1 meter waves with open hatch.</span></div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">Br, Emile</span></div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv7057489796yqt8647719118" id="yiv7057489796yqt47552"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Van:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org] <b>Namens </b>hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"><b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 15 juli 2016 22:04<br clear="none"><b>Aan:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br clear="none"><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sea state</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal"> </div><div><div id="yiv7057489796yui_3_16_0_1_1468612830342_3015"><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:7.0pt;">Emile,</span></div></div><div id="yiv7057489796yui_3_16_0_1_1468612830342_3015"><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:7.0pt;">Maybe an inflatable CT extension could help. You could use an inflatable raft with the bottom cut out. Might be more trouble than it is worth, but an idea at least.</span></div></div><div id="yiv7057489796yui_3_16_0_1_1468612830342_3015"><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:7.0pt;">Hank</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style="font-size:7.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">On Friday, July 15, 2016 1:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;"></span></div></div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;"> </span></div><div><div id="yiv7057489796"><div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">Sorry, sent from my ipad when I should have been asleep.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lYZkddx40HQ">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lYZkddx40HQ</a></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">It's the same video that was up on Psubs.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">Alan<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</span></div></div><div id="yiv7057489796yqt54161"><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;"><br clear="none">On 16/07/2016, at 5:13 am, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">Hi Alan,</span></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">I was looking forward to the video, but that's a pdf file! I would describe a K250 as a big hole in the water waiting to fill up whenever the hatch is open, but I agree Emile's boat is something entirely different. Also, in my experience there is a huge difference between boarding one person or two. If it's just me, I can time it better and slam the hatch right behind me, but if there's someone inside the sub before I get in, it slows down the move a lot and makes me a whole lot more worried about the consequence of a mishap. I can quite see a situation where a two person load would be too dangerous but a one person dive might still be accomplished.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">Best,</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;"><br clear="none">Alec</span></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;"> </span></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:</span></div><div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">Emile,</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">we abandoned a dive in Snoopy 4 miles off the Florida Coast in what didn't seem like big seas.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">It looked too dangerous to board. Although With your sail it would have been OK.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">Next day we towed Snoopy out with Alec, Steve & 9 bags of ice for cooling.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">We had to transfer them to the boat after the dive, & it was a bit tricky. The sub sits</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">in the water like a rock while the support boat bounces up & down around it. </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">So you are in danger of smashing your hull on to the sub. We had 3 of us trying to</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">hold the boat off as we transferred crew.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">Here is the video that used to be on psubs. The first few seconds show the surface sea state</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">which doesn't look too bad.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;"> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.ti.com.cn/cn/lit/ds/symlink/lm2593hv.pdf">http://www.ti.com.cn/cn/lit/ds/symlink/lm2593hv.pdf</a></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">I would be interested in hearing how you get on.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;">Cheers Alan</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</span></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;"><br clear="none">On 16/07/2016, at 2:53 am, via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">I've seen it flat as a parking lot. Not often, but it happens. You'll just have to make the determination when you get there. I hope it's a quiet day. And I wish I was going with you. It would be great fun to dive the North Sea again. </span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;"></span></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style="">Vance<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;"></span></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">-----Original Message-----<br clear="none">From: emile via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">Sent: Fri, Jul 15, 2016 9:13 am<br clear="none">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sea state</span></div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Hi Vance,</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">The north sea is never flat.. A big offshore supplier will bring us to the spot. But they are not allowed to crane a sub with people inside so we have to go for the unsafe option.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">But with the given (long?) wavelength 0,5 to 1 meter/</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">Emile</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Van:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> Personal_Submersibles [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org?" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org?">mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org</a>] <b>Namens </b>via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"><b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 15 juli 2016 15:03<br clear="none"><b>Aan:</b> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sea state</span></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Mostly never, Emile, unless it's high summer and flat calm. You be careful out there. </span></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Vance</span></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">-----Original Message-----<br clear="none">From: emile via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">Sent: Fri, Jul 15, 2016 8:59 am<br clear="none">Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sea state</span></div></div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">Hi All , or more those who operate a small sub on open sea.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">At what wind speed and wave height it is save to operate a small sub like mine ( freeboard outer sail 0,7 meter.)</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">We plan to board the sub from a RIB</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">For a possible Northsea expedition..</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;">Best regards, Emile</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></div></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv7057489796MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><u><a 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