<div dir="ltr">HI Emile <div>if you could find a couple of harbour pontoons, you attach one on each side of the sub when boarding, or have truck slings go beneath the hull, just in case<div><br></div><div>if you have time you could even attach I beams to join them with a 1.5m space between for your sub. <div>this way you could crane them and the sub at once to the sea, </div></div></div><div><br></div><div>regards</div><div>antoine</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 10:03 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12px"><div><span>Emile,</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Maybe an inflatable CT extension could help. You </span>could use an inflatable raft with the bottom cut out. Might be more trouble than it is worth, but an idea at least.</div><div dir="ltr">Hank</div><div><div class="h5"> <div><br><br></div><div style="display:block"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Friday, July 15, 2016 1:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div><div><div><div>Sorry, sent from my ipad when I should have been asleep.</div><div><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lYZkddx40HQ" target="_blank">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lYZkddx40HQ</a></div><div>It's the same video that was up on Psubs.</div><div>Alan<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</div><div><div><br clear="none">On 16/07/2016, at 5:13 am, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Hi Alan,<div><br clear="none"></div><div>I was looking forward to the video, but that's a pdf file! I would describe a K250 as a big hole in the water waiting to fill up whenever the hatch is open, but I agree Emile's boat is something entirely different. Also, in my experience there is a huge difference between boarding one person or two. If it's just me, I can time it better and slam the hatch right behind me, but if there's someone inside the sub before I get in, it slows down the move a lot and makes me a whole lot more worried about the consequence of a mishap. I can quite see a situation where a two person load would be too dangerous but a one person dive might still be accomplished.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Best,</div><div><br clear="none">Alec</div></div><div><br clear="none"><div>On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Emile,</div><div>we abandoned a dive in Snoopy 4 miles off the Florida Coast in what didn't seem like big seas.</div><div>It looked too dangerous to board. Although With your sail it would have been OK.</div><div>Next day we towed Snoopy out with Alec, Steve & 9 bags of ice for cooling.</div><div>We had to transfer them to the boat after the dive, & it was a bit tricky. The sub sits</div><div>in the water like a rock while the support boat bounces up & down around it. </div><div>So you are in danger of smashing your hull on to the sub. We had 3 of us trying to</div><div>hold the boat off as we transferred crew.</div><div>Here is the video that used to be on psubs. The first few seconds show the surface sea state</div><div>which doesn't look too bad.</div><div> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://www.ti.com.cn/cn/lit/ds/symlink/lm2593hv.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.ti.com.cn/cn/lit/ds/symlink/lm2593hv.pdf</a></div><div>I would be interested in hearing how you get on.</div><div>Cheers Alan</div><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</div><div><div><div><br clear="none">On 16/07/2016, at 2:53 am, via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><font color="black" size="3" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="3">I've seen it flat as a parking lot. Not often, but it happens. You'll just have to make the determination when you get there. I hope it's a quiet day. And I wish I was going with you. 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<div><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"> The north sea is never flat.. A big offshore supplier will bring us to the spot. But they are not allowed to crane a sub with people inside so we have to go for the unsafe option.</span></div>
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<div><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"> But with the given (long?) wavelength 0,5 to 1 meter/</span></div>
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<b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 15 juli 2016 15:03<br clear="none">
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<div><span>Mostly never, Emile, unless it's high summer and flat calm. You be careful out there. </span></div>
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<div><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi All , or more those who operate a small sub on open sea.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"></span></div>
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<div><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">At what wind speed and wave height it is save to operate a small sub like mine ( freeboard outer sail 0,7 meter.)</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"></span></div>
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<div><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">For a possible Northsea expedition..</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"></span></div>
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<div><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Best regards, Emile</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"></span></div>
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