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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>FEA on cheaper programmes is to be treated with caution.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We did comparison between Solid Works FEA, Solid Edge FEA and actual measured deflection.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Solid works showed 2mm deflection, Solid Edge showed 3.1mm deflection and actual measurement was .1 mm using a DTI.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>They are great programmes to show where stresses occur to assist design but they are a poor substitute for actual testing under proper conditions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Proper FEA should be left to the experts, as Sean says, as the meshing is critical to get good results.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hugh <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alan James via Personal_Submersibles<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 28 May 2016 12:54 p.m.<br><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] CAD for presentation<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>There is a rudimentary fea program called scan & solve, that is a plug in<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464391678820_8341"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>for Rhino 5. I have it but haven't needed to use it yet. I was on a scan & solve<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464391678820_8971"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>webinar & tried to pin the lecturer down as to how accurate it was; but<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464391678820_8367"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>he was very elusive. You can export to ??? for fea, forget the name, wasn't solid works<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464391678820_8967"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>but was another top program.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464391678820_8390"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>When I went to the solid works seminar & talked with some of the professionals<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464391678820_8408"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>about fea, they were in fear & awe at the mention of it. So I am getting the impression<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464391678820_8409"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>that it is pretty specialized & difficult to get really accurate results. Sean might<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464391678820_8431"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>add to that. But hey technology moves on.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464391678820_8459"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>You aren't an old guy like me, so you may want to learn a top program that will<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464391678820_8474"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>be with you the rest of your life, but people go to tech college full time to learn these<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464391678820_9085"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>programs & if you aren't using them a lot you forget things.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464391678820_9114"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Alan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464391678820_8389"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464391678820_8317"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464391678820_8346"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464391678820_8345"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464391678820_8344"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464391678820_8343"><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Scott Waters via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 28, 2016 12:17 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] CAD for presentation</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464391678820_8368"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv0975465982><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464391678820_8370"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Will Rhino 5 and Orca work for loading into a FEA program?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464391678820_8369"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Scott Waters<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv0975465982composer_signature"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#575757'>Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br>Date: 05/27/2016 7:03 PM (GMT-06:00) <br>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] CAD for presentation <br><br>Scott,I bought Rhino 5 & Orca, which is a plug in to Rhino & the most popularmarine design program. Haven't touched Orca yet but found Rhino 5 wasmanageable to learn.I spent 4 hrs. at a Solid Works seminar just learning the updates from oneyear to the next. Some of these programs are so big that it's only worth learning them if you are intending to use them 20 hrs. a week & want to dedicate a year or so learning them.I am finding Rhino 5 totally adequate for designing parts.Alan<br><br><br> From: Scott Waters via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br>Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:00 AM<br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] CAD for presentation<br> <br>Alan,I think the advice of just learning a full scale system is good because I will have to do it anyway. The drawings for presentation pourposes are<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>