<DIV style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif; font-size:10pt;"><DIV>Scott,</DIV><DIV> In the meantime, before you learn Solid Works, you can, for the upcoming presentation, just take pictures of Pisces VI . Take the pictures and have them blown up at a copy place and then play around with whatever ideas you have. You can sketch out ideas with a acrylic over lay on top of the blown up pictures. Make sure to get a lot of different camera angles so as to get a good perspective of the new sub. ( poor mans modeling) . If you get a realistic drawing you can even put it into an underwater scene to make it look more interesting.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV> Some of these modeling and rendering programs are so good you can't tell if it's real or not. But they are expensive. That's how some of these entrepreneurs get their first job ! By presenting something that only exists in cyberspace ! </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Brian</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV><BR><BR>--- personal_submersibles@psubs.org wrote:<BR><BR>From: Scott Waters via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><BR>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><BR>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] CAD for presentation<BR>Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 15:04:10 -0500<BR><BR>
</DIV><DIV>Cliff,</DIV><DIV>Which software is most easily learned? I have no CAD experience. All my design work in the past was all sketched out on a bar napkin. Haha.</DIV><DIV>Thank you,</DIV><DIV>Scott Waters</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV><DIV style="color: rgb(87, 87, 87); font-size: 85%;">Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone</DIV></DIV><BR><BR>-------- Original message --------<BR>From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <BR>Date: 05/27/2016 8:52 AM (GMT-06:00) <BR>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <BR>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] CAD for presentation <BR><BR><DIV dir="ltr"><DIV>Scott, I have been thinking about your request for CAD assistance for upcoming presentation. I think with your Pisces VI build, you really have both tactical and strategic technical drawing needs. Let look at the long range strategic need first. Because you are going to make some changes to the boat, ABS is going to make you submit a report that among other things has a drawings set that reflects the current build, a weights and balance and buoyant accounting that rolls up the new CG and CB of the boat and a stress analysis of the pressure hull both in the form of the ABS hull stress calculations and an FEA. The best way to get these is through a 3-D modeling package like Autodesk Inventor Pro or Solidworks. My suggestion is to invest in one of the software packages and take a basic 3-D modeling training course on the software. You then crawl into the belly of the beast with your tape measure and digital caliper and take the dimensions of each part and then model it in the 3-D modeling software. After you get all the parts modeled, you them make up assemblies of these parts that will enable you to turn out the 2-D prints of the parts and assemblies. From this 3-D model, of your Pisces VI, you then can extract the CB, CG of the boat. All of these 3-D software packages let you export STEP files of the model that can be read by the FEA software Sean uses. If you pay some one to build this 3-D model, first of all it will cost a lot of money and every time you change anything you will have to go back the guy for an update. In the long run, having this skill set (3-D modeling) will be very useful for future mechanical projects off all types. </DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>From a tactical perspective, what people are most interested in, from my perspective, on your renovation is what is the state of the boat at the time you acquired it documented by lots of pictures, and what the big pictures is on what you think you will need to do to get your ABS A1 recertification and lastly what are the major structural changes you are planning. I don't know how much time you have for your presentation but my guess is 20 minutes or so. If this is the case, on average you can count on about 1 min per slide so you have 20 slides to present. This does not leave much time for presenting CAD work. You might be able to get away with the basic drawing tools in Power point for these few slides on the changes. </DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>Make sure you put a slide in for your new mega shop which we are all salivating over and how you are going to dive this boat when your done in Kansas!</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>Cliff</DIV></DIV><DIV><BR><DIV>On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:41 AM, via Personal_Submersibles <SPAN dir="ltr"><<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;">OK. Thanks for the information<BR>
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> Yeah, but it's very intuitive once you get into it. Plus you could generate data to make parts using a CNC. More computer power = good thing !<BR>
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> I am worried about the amount of time it would take me to learn to be good with the software. From my understanding, it is quite the ramp up time.<BR>
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> Thank you,<BR>
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> > Scott, You might want to think about getting set up with "machine works" it's a type of cad program that integrates into CNC and also has some FEA capability ( very advanced stuff) . But you would need some serious computer power to run the program. But then designed components could then be coded for machining, it has extensive modeling etc.. , state of the art stuff. - Brian <BR>
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> > I was wondering if anyone could help me out. I am planning on doing a presentation at Underwater Intervention about the Pisces VI submarine. I am wanting to show the components of the submarine how the sub originally was and then how we are changing it. I am not trained in CAD and was wondering if there is someone out there that could easily do this?<BR>
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