<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_2944"><span>Hank,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_2946" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_2945">5 liters would sink you at the same speed as 11lb of thrust from your motors.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_3034" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_3033">My motors were drawing 4 amps off 36V to achieve 11lb thrust, so maybe</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>it's not worth the space, money & pumping effort!</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_3096" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_3095">James Cameron had his sub go down head first to get to the bottom quicker</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_3099" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_3098">but I guess Elementary 3000 goes the same speed in any direction:)</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_3097" dir="ltr"><span>Alan</span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_2970"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_2958" style="display: block;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_2957" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_2956" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_2969" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_2968" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_3102"> <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_3101"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_3100" style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> personal_submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 8, 2016 2:31 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] hand pump<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_2955"><br><div id="yiv6300655209"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_2954"><table id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_2967" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_2966"><tr id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_2965"><td id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_2964" valign="top" rowspan="1" colspan="1"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_2963">I was thinking 5 litres max, it is a submarine not a formula one car. I could add a fake foil on top lol. Haha </div></td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="yiv6300655209yqt5624552053" id="yiv6300655209yqt27718"><div id="yiv6300655209_origMsg_">
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<table id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_2989" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_2988"><tr id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_2987"><td id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_2986" valign="top" rowspan="1" colspan="1"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_2985" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3362"><span id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3361">Sounds a dangerous ploy Hank.</span></div><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3364"><span id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3363">If you had 50 liters of water to pump out, making you 50kg heavy (110 lb.)</span></div><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3458"><span id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3608">you might have trouble stopping.</span></div><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3606"><span id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3607">If you had two vertical thrusters with 50lb thrust each you would get the same</span></div><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3631" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3728">speed. At
1mph would take 34 minutes to get to your 3000ft max depth or </span></div><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3727" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460083360357_3105">10 minutes at 3 mph.</span></div><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3726" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3725">Maybe add another battery? It would be a lot of work hand pumping out the water</span></div><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3724" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3723">against 1500psi external water pressure at your max depth.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Or maybe a drop weight full of rocks.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Cheers Alan</span></div><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3439"><span></span><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6300655209qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3365"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6300655209yahoo_quoted" id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3407" style="display: block;"> <div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3406" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3405" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div class="yiv6300655209yqt1595933867" id="yiv6300655209yqt62791"><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3414" dir="ltr"> <font id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3440" face="Arial" size="2"> </font><hr size="1" id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3655"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 8, 2016 1:16 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] hand pump<br clear="none"> </div> <div class="yiv6300655209y_msg_container" id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3404"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv6300655209"><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3403"><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3402" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3511"><span>Alan,</span></div><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3401" dir="ltr"><span>I need full depth pressure rating so I can sink fast without thrusters then pump out some water at depth to go </span>neutral. I can't wast air like Gamma because I have no onboard compressor. </div><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3588" dir="ltr">Hank</div> <div class="yiv6300655209qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3450"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6300655209yahoo_quoted" id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3413" style="display: block;"> <div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3412" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;"> <div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3411" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div class="yiv6300655209yqt5516979528" id="yiv6300655209yqt13015"><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3449" dir="ltr"><font id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3448" face="Arial" size="2"> On Thursday, April 7, 2016 5:42 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv6300655209y_msg_container" id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3410"><div id="yiv6300655209"><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3409"><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460078810761_3408" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2884"><span id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2939">Hank,</span></div><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2886"><span id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2885">why not use an electric pump used on boats & have valves to operate</span></div><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2917"><span id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2916">various other functions. They are reasonably small, 12V & built for marine conditions.</span></div><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2918"><span id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2920">Can't recall what psi they go up to, but saw some rated 130 psi.</span></div><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2945"><span id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2946">Cheers Alan</span></div><div class="yiv6300655209qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2892"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6300655209yahoo_quoted" id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2834" style="display: block;"> <div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2833" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2832" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div class="yiv6300655209yqt8812158979" id="yiv6300655209yqt31466"><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2893" dir="ltr"> <font id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2894" face="Arial" size="2"> </font><hr size="1" id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2895"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 8, 2016 11:18 AM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] hand pump<br clear="none"> </div> <div class="yiv6300655209y_msg_container" id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2831"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv6300655209"><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2830"><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2947" dir="ltr">I use these at work sometimes:</div>
<div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2948" dir="ltr">http://www.enerpac.com/en-us/industrial-tools/hydraulic-pumps-and-valves/hydraulic-manual-pumps-0</div>
<div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2881" dir="ltr">Don't know what they cost though.</div>
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<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv6300655209gmail_quote" id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2949">On April 7, 2016 5:03:15 PM MDT, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<blockquote class="yiv6300655209gmail_quote" id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2951" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;">
<div class="yiv6300655209yqt6199900721" id="yiv6300655209yqt88163"><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2950" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460070063375_2664">Hi All,</div><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460070063375_2664" dir="ltr">I am looking for a hand pump to remove water from my trim tank. It will work like a DW. I will empty the air out of the mbt and then flood a small plastic tank inside the sub. Any ideas?</div><div id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460070063375_2664" dir="ltr">Hank</div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 2.5em; margin-bottom: 1em; border-bottom-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: solid;"></div><pre class="yiv6300655209k9mail"></pre><hr id="yiv6300655209yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460072023840_2952"><br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br clear="none"><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></blockquote></div></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv6300655209yqt6199900721" id="yiv6300655209yqt07025">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv6300655209yqt8812158979" id="yiv6300655209yqt00668">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv6300655209yqt5516979528" id="yiv6300655209yqt82501">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div> </div> </div> </div></div></td></tr></tbody></table>
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