<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3154"><span>I've been doing a bit of homework on this.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3154"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3344">There doesn't seem to be any ballast tanks; just lift bags that can be</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3154" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3345">operated internally & externally for emergencies. I have never seen</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3154" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3348">anything more than the dome out of the water.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3154" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3347">It is based on quad copter operation. I will mention that I bought some</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3154" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3446">quad copter gyro stabilization electronics years ago with view to doing</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3154" dir="ltr"><span>something similar.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3154" dir="ltr"><span>Here is an entertaining Gizmag video on it.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3154" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3154" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3542"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7AIlmrRv4o" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3540">Review: Deepflight Dragon - submarine meets quadcopter</a><br></span></div><div style="width:450px; font-family: 'Georgia', 'Times', 'Times New Roman', 'serif';margin-top:5px; margin-bottom: 5px; background-color: #ffffff;" contenteditable="false" id="enhancrCard_0" class="link-enhancr-attachment link-enhancr-element richcompose-card"><table class="link-enhancr-element" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" style="width:450px; 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background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 1px; border-collapse: collapse;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3574"><div class="link-enhancr-element" style="height: 1px; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 1px; line-height:0px" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3573"> </div></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3154">Alan</div><br> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3277"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3276"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3275"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3274"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3278"> <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3415"><span style="font-weight:bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3414">From:</span></b> Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, November 20, 2015 8:54 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep Flight Dragon<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3654"><br><div id="yiv1659748114"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3653"><div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3652"><div><br clear="none">I'm pretty sure he would charge for that privilege</div><div> </div><div>Brian Cox</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3655"> </div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv1659748114yqt0697610991" id="yiv1659748114yqt49938"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447968374488_3651"> <br clear="none">--- personal_submersibles@psubs.org wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none">To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep Flight Dragon<br clear="none">Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 20:18:28 -0800<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div><div><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Alan,</span></div></div><div><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Perhaps the next PSubs conference could be there. Hmmm. What do you think, Jim?</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv1659748114yqt0697610991" id="yiv1659748114yqt09355"><div><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Bike hub motor… interesting. It wouldn't be too difficult to make up an oil compensated magnetically coupled thruster.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">I like the OrcaSub better. More my style, and local of course. </span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);">Tim</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span> </div><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(225, 225, 225) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm;"></div></div><div><b><span lang="EN-US" style="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style=""> Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alan James via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> November-18-15 7:58 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep Flight Dragon</span></div><div> </div><div></div><div><div><div><div><div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">Hi Tim,</span></div><div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">yes it would be difficult to get in to that in anything other than a mill pond;</span></div><div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">& I wonder about the stability also; the way the bouyancy seems to be placed low down.</span></div><div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">From the videos I've seen it looks like the hatch can only be opened from the outside,</span></div><div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">could be wrong though.</span></div><div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">The large diameter thrusters look like they could be made from bike hub motors. They</span></div><div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">are the right voltage at 40V & are only 1500W. They are direct drive & getting their torque</span></div><div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">by using large diameter narrow motors.</span></div><div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">There are some good photos of the fuselage & hull in the links on this page.</span></div><div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">He is not scared to think outside the box.</span></div><div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">Love a visit to his workshop. Would fly over for that :)</span></div><div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.deepflight.com/category/news/"><span style="background:white;">http://www.deepflight.com/category/news/</span></a></span></div><div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">Cheers Alan</span></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"></span> </div><div><div><div></div></div></div><div style="background:white;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:black;"></span> </div><div><div><div align="center" style="background:white;text-align:center;"><span style="color:black;"></span><hr align="center" width="100%" size="1"></div></div></div><div style="background:white;"><b><span style="color:black;">From:</span></b><span style="color:black;"> T Novak via Personal_Submersibles <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"><b>To:</b> 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 19, 2015 3:11 PM<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep Flight Dragon</span><span style="color:black;"></span></div><div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"></span> </div><div><div><div><div></div></div></div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">Alan,</span><span style="color:black;"></span></div><div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">Hawkes certainly knows how to design cool. From underwater fighter jets to this underwater race car. I noticed that there is no photo showing ingress/egress on the surface. Personal submarines, in my humble opinion, really should have sufficient freeboard (often a conning tower) to allow the pilot to operate the vessel solo (without a launch crew and/or crane). Maybe this one does, the Super Falcon does not.</span><span style="color:black;"></span></div><div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">But is sure looks good enough to get the male youth off the jetski and into a submarine. I know, jetskis are a whole lot cheaper than this boat.</span><span style="color:black;"></span></div><div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">Tim</span><span style="color:black;"></span></div><div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"></span><span style="color:black;"></span> </div><div></div><div style="background:white;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:black;"></span> </div><div><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(225, 225, 225) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm;"><div></div></div></div></div><div style="background:white;"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;"> Personal_Submersibles [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alan James via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> November-17-15 10:12 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep Flight Dragon</span><span style="color:black;"></span></div><div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"></span> </div><div><div><div></div></div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">Here's a link to Hawke's new Deep Flight Dragon.</span></div><div><div></div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.deepflight.com/dragon/"><span style="background:white;">Dragon - DeepFlight - Advanced Personal Submarines and Undersea Technology</span></a></span></div><div><div></div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">400ft depth capable with composite hull, a 40V system & brushless direct drive</span></div><div><div></div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">motors (like I'm trying to make).</span></div><div><div></div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">Very similar in appearance to the 2 person sub Phil is involved with.</span></div><div><div></div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">There is a specifications link on the page.</span></div><div><div></div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">Alan</span></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"></span> </div><div></div><div style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a></span></div></div><div style="background:white;margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="color:black;"></span> _______________________________________________
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