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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I would stick very closely to what Vance has said. Very closely.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you tow from only the battery pods with a bridle then it can roll the sub. The shorter high rope prevents this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You need to pull from low to stop the nose diving but when it veers off to the side from slowing or wave action you need the top rope as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Pulling from only the top limits you to about 3 knots unless it is towed from high up on the tow vessel. My penny’s worth. Hugh<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alan James via Personal_Submersibles<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 10 September 2015 8:34 a.m.<br><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Towing...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_17405"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Vance,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_17405"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>what about towing from a low point at the front?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_17405"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>One of my thoughts was to have a low frontal tow point with a short length<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_17405"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>of rope from it with a clip on the end. This is clipped on to a higher point on the sub<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_17405"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>when not in use & clipped on to the towing rope when needed. This is so that you don't get wet <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_17405"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>trying to attach to a point below the water line.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_17405"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Alan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_17378"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_17377"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_17376"><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 10, 2015 6:35 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Towing...</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_17906"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv1672812166><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_17908"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_17907"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>James,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Before you weld towing eyes on the front of your battery pods, you might try making some circular clamps to go around the front of each pod and attach towing eyes to those. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>That way you could test the concept first and possibly refine it.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18014"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>In a message dated 9/9/2015 1:10:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> writes:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18013"><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal>The Bionic Guppy is pretty long and heavy though.<br>Hank<o:p></o:p></p></div></td></tr></table><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id=yiv1672812166yqt17127><div id="yiv1672812166_origMsg_"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18012"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18011"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18016"><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>; <br><b>To: </b><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>; <br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Towing... <br><b>Sent: </b>Wed, Sep 9, 2015 5:02:51 PM <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18010"><tr id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18008"><td valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm' id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18007"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>If you pick up those three towing points so that everything pulls evenly in calm water, it will go a long way toward keeping things stable when things start pushing and pulling in different directions. </span><o:p></o:p></p><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18015"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Vance<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18023"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2015 12:04 pm<br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Towing...<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=yiv1672812166yqt87516><div id="yiv1672812166AOLMsgPart_1.2_b0859a1e-61d6-44b5-acbe-dbfc7e69c40f"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18027"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18026"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18025"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks Vance, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18028"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>I did think of maybe towing from the battery pods. Maybe i'll weld on a couple of towing eyes. Something else I should have thought of before..... <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18029"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>will check out options later. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18030"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>regards <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18031"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>James <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18035"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18034"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>On 9 September 2015 at 16:38, via Personal_Submersibles <<span class=MsoHyperlink>personal_submersibles@psubs.org</span>> wrote: <br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>The force applied that high and that close to the center of gravity will make her dive and squirm. Pull hard enough, she'll crab out to one side and roll toward the boat. It will be hard not to spill your tea. </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18037"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Vance<br><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18049"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles <<span class=MsoHyperlink>personal_submersibles@psubs.org</span>><br>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<span class=MsoHyperlink>personal_submersibles@psubs.org</span>><br>Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2015 9:21 am<br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Towing...<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18048"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18047"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18046"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18045"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>That's what I was thinking. However, there is a video of someone towing Bionic Guppy and they are pulling it from the lifting eye. Different boat though. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApUnGjTb4DQ" target="_blank" title="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApUnGjTb4DQ">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApUnGjTb4DQ</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18044"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18054"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>On 9 September 2015 at 12:23, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <<span class=MsoHyperlink>personal_submersibles@psubs.org</span>> wrote: <br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18052"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18051"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18050"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi James, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_18056"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>I think you need to tow from the front leading edge to avoid crabbing. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Hank <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 3:36 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles <<span class=MsoHyperlink>personal_submersibles@psubs.org</span>> wrote:</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi All, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Has anyone towed a K boat from the forward lifting eye? <br><br>I am going to tow my boat to a better diving location. I think the best place to tow it would be the very front, on the hand rail mounting post. At this point there is a 20mm stainless bar bolted through the forward tank and into the framework. Although its a thick bar, I have a feeling it might get damaged if I tow the boat from that point. Forward lifting eye would be better but ive got a feeling it might now tow very well. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br>Any thoughts? <br>Thanks <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>James <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________ <br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list <br><span class=MsoHyperlink>Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</span> <br><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank" 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