<font color='black' size='3' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3">Sure, why not? It would still help to snub the bow in a straight line. And for dives, the harness could be lashed short to that forward lift point, maybe, and left in place during a dive. We used to do that with the lift rig on Aquarius, which was two big nylon straps and a welded metal hoop. Just stuffed it down into the sail beside the conning tower and went on about out business. And try some different speeds for towing. Most people tow too slow, making the sub hunt back and forth, never finding a true course. It might be worth a few minutes, just to find that best speed. NOTE: By the way, the best speed (if the MBTs aren't spewing air) is just about half a mile an hour more than you think it is. The sub will be closer to underwater than not, kicking up quite a wake to make you nervous, and somewhere in there it seems to stabilize and come merrily along just like it knew what it was doing. The Nektons towed at 10 knots, remember. Not Gamma anymore, sadly, but the idea is sound. Their tow point was just under the nose of the forward ballast tank (below the centerline of the hull by a few inches--just in case that gives you an idea).</font>
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<span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_17911">what about towing from a low point at the front?</span>
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<span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_17760">of rope from it with a clip on the end. This is clipped on to a higher point on the sub</span>
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<span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441828239724_17909">trying to attach to a point below the water line.</span>
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That's what I was thinking. However, there is a video of someone towing Bionic Guppy and they are pulling it from the lifting eye. Different boat though.
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