<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_2745"><span>Jon,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_2745" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_3092">everyone would agree that you have done a great job behind the scenes </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_2745" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_3109">keeping this group running. If you consider the web blog the way to go,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_2745" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_3169">how about giving notice of a closure of the email system with a 2 Week</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_2745" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_3170">count down to give people an oportunity to register for the web blog & get </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_2745" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_3317">their head around what's going on.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_2745">Maybe an email every day "12 more days till close down" etc.<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_2745" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_2977">Then 3 Weeks on the web based system to see how it goes before opening up the email again.?</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_2745" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_3030">At least with the web based system if we don't get email notification of web posts </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_2745" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_3301">due to spamming we can check </span>on site. </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_3316">What do people reckon???</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_3318">Cheers Alan</div> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_2754"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_2753"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_2842"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_2843"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_2978"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, July 26, 2015 3:36 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [PSUBS-MAILIST] IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438038836534_2752"><br><br>Email is becoming a problem. It is becoming more difficult to deal with <br>the numerous ways internet providers are dealing with perceived spam, <br>and PSUBS email is often interpreted as unsolicited mail even though <br>I've been careful to configure it to comply with industry standards. <br>The real problem is that internet providers in their zest to stop spam <br>reaching their customers are implementing non-standard means to reach <br>that end.<br><br>You will recall that the latest "fix" was to make it look like those <br>submitting mail to the list were actually doing so from the PSUBS <br>server. This is why emails now show "<your-name> via <br>personal_submersibles" instead of the actual submitters email address as <br>it use to be. Additionally, more and more providers are simply blocking <br>the PSUBS discussion list completely and we have no solution for that. <br>This happened just recently to one of our members and the only solution <br>was to get an account someplace (usually gmail or yahoo) that didn't <br>block our discussion list.<br><br>Bottom line is that when these spam issues arise it usually kills our <br>discussions until I can get the time to determine what the real issue is <br>and find a fix for it. Worse, I never know if there is really a problem <br>or if the list is just quiet, until someone contacts me personally and <br>says they haven't seen any messages for a while. I am finding I have <br>less time overall to deal with email configuration issues and less <br>desire to spend my time chasing after such solutions. Therefore, I have <br>resurrected web based forums on the website and set up various <br>discussion forums. I am not going to shut-off the email based <br>discussions, but I am no longer going to provide technical support for <br>them either. For anyone that encounters email issues in the future, the <br>answer will be, move over to the web-forum.<br><br>It behooves us to start this process now while the email discussion list <br>is still working adequately so we can resolve any issues with the <br>web-forum. So please take the time to register on the web-forum even if <br>you still intend to use the email list as your primary means for now. I <br>personally prefer email to the web-forum, but I have finally raised the <br>white-flag and capitulated because of the pain involved with trying to <br>chase the anti-spam policies of major internet providers.<br><br>Again, the email discussion list is not closing down, but I am no longer <br>providing technical support for it. The web based forum will become our <br>"official" means of communication even though we (including me) may <br>still use the email method.<br><br>Jon<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br><a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>