<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Antoine.</div><div> </div><div>Im going to make a mask using 2x ordinary snorkel valves glued to a suitable mask. I made one before and it worked fine. Nice and simple. Mask, bit of glue and job done. Will post a pic when I finish it.</div><div><br>Regards</div><div>James</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 22 April 2015 at 14:14, Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Hi James,</div>
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<div>As we planned to use the manual mode quite a lot on Pilot Fish sub, we looked at this issue in detail and I tested various ways:</div>
<div>1-simple snorchel without check valve: you breathe in from the nose and exhale from the mouth. </div>
<div>very simple actually, if your breathing skills are not yet there, after a few hours they will. I think if you are looking at emergency set, this should be enough</div>
<div>2-rebreather mushroom valve with mouth piece: very heavy, needs to be hanged inside the sub. Rebreather mouth piece are hard to find.</div>
<div>3-rebreather mushroom valve with medical type mouth+nose cover: not tested yet. I expect less tiring.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:04 PM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>I'll test it first with just a pipe but yes, a mask of some sort would be best. Ive been googling but haven't found anything suitable so far. Lots of masks available but they all seem to work the wrong way. ie breath in through a tube and breath out into the fresh air. We need fresh air in, breath out down the tube. Should be simple enough.</div>
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<div>I made one once for welding in a tight space out of a couple of snorkel valves stuck together.</div>
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<div>Ive got a WW2 gas mask that is perfect. It has 2 pipes, one in, one out that you can connect to whatever you want, but I think id look a bit of a wally with it on!</div></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 22 April 2015 at 12:32, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><br>James,<br>It is funny, I was just about to ask the same question. When I saw Alec's mouth piece arrangement, I figured I better get on that so I also ordered a mouth piece. My question now is, will you have a check valve to make it easier.<br>Hank--------------------------------------------<br>On Wed, 4/22/15, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manual Scrubber.<br> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> Received: Wednesday, April 22, 2015, 7:11 AM<br>
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<div><br> Ok<br> thanks. Im going to do some experiments at the<br> weekend.<br> On 22 April 2015 at 11:28,<br> Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> wrote:<br> Hi<br> James,<br> <br> There is a fan inside the scrubber at the base, but it<br> also work without turning the fan on. We see several<br> advantages in the full manual mode: power saving, robust in<br> case of power failure, and also better scrubbing.<br> <br> regards,<br> Antoine<br><br> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015<br> at 11:13 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> wrote:<br><br><br> Ahhh, hi Antoine. Sorry, I didn't<br> realise it was you the Pilot fish guy. Ive seen the pics<br> of the scrubber with the counter lung. Is there a fan or<br> anything drawing the air through or is that all<br> manual?<br><br><br><br><br> On 22 April 2015 at<br> 09:53, Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> wrote:<br><br><br> Hi James,<br> <br> no I have not yet, but you ll find pictures on the<br> Pilot Fish Project facebook page, March 10th post.<br> <br> I have a scrubber made from Emile, and as Emile<br> said, when you exhale through it the reaction is much more<br> efficient.<br> You may or may not need an intermediate counterlung to<br> buffer the flow, depending on the breathing<br> resistance.<br> <br> regards,<br> antoine<br><br><br><br> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015<br> at 10:42 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> wrote:<br><br><br><br> Exhale it is. I'll give it a test. Thanks<br> guys. <br> <br> Antoine, did you send a picture? I didn't get<br> it.<br> Thanks<br> James<br><br><br><br><br> On 22 April 2015 at 07:09, Emile van Essen via<br> Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> wrote:<br><br><br><br><br><br><br> James,<br> <br> Blowing<br> is the best . You exhale warm , moist, and CO2 rich air<br> through the scrubber.<br> Air<br> exits with almost 0 % CO2 !<br> <br> <br> Emile<br> <br><br><br><br><br></div></div>
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<div> Van:<br> Personal_Submersibles [mailto:<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org</a>]<br> Namens James<br> Frankland via Personal_Submersibles<br> Verzonden: dinsdag 21<br> april 2015 23:20<br> Aan: <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br> Onderwerp:<br> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manual<br> Scrubber.<br><br><br> <br><br><br> Hi<br> all,<br><br> <br><br> Im rigging up<br> my scrubber with a mouthpiece for manual use. I have one<br> of Emile's scrubbers so the fan is at the bottom pushing<br> air up and I have a hose at the top that directs scrubbed<br> air into the tower. <br><br> <br><br> All i'm<br> going to do is attach a mouthpiece to the end of the<br> hose.<br><br> <br><br> With the fan<br> off, should I be breathing in, sucking air through the<br> scrubber? or blowing exhaled air into the<br> scrubber?<br><br> <br><br> Plus im<br> thinking that if im breathing in, I should maybe have some<br> sort of particulate filter to stop<br> dust?<br><br> <br><br> How it is now<br> without a mouthpiece.<br><br> <br><br> <a href="http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page24298.htm" target="_blank">http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page24298.htm</a><br><br> <br><br> Any<br> suggestions?<br><br> Many<br> thanks<br><br> James<br> _______________________________________________<br> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br> <a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br><br><br><br> _______________________________________________<br> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br> <a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br><br><br><br> _______________________________________________<br> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br> <a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br><br><br><br> _______________________________________________<br> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br> <a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br><br><br><br><br> _______________________________________________<br><br> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br><br> <a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br><br> <a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br><br><br><br><br></div></div> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----<br>
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