<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I am still not convinced. </div><div>In the case of a flooded submarine the </div><div>scrubber system wouldn't work unless you mounted the scrubber</div><div>very high in the sub. Also in the situation where you flood the sub</div><div>to escape, you need air on tap for the final pressure equalisation.</div><div>It is reasonably comforting to see a regulator next to you when</div><div>you are last person out.</div><div>Alan</div><div><br></div><div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 12/03/2015, at 4:43 pm, Adam Lawrence via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"><span class="503113803-12032015">Yes, there is a very small amount of smoke in the
volume of a 1-3 person submarine, compared to a building fire. Air filter
respirators cartridges, combined with scrubbing and O2 replenishment accomplish
the same thing as an SCBA, but without increasing cabin
pressure.</span></font></div>
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via Personal_Submersibles<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 11, 2015 10:21
PM<br><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re:
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426129902082_4252" dir="ltr"><span>OK I follow.</span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426129902082_4253" dir="ltr"><span>So would the filter system
filter out the smoke?</span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426129902082_4254" dir="ltr"><span>I see firemen using
compressed air, not filters.</span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426129902082_4255" dir="ltr"><span>Flown over Houston but
never visited.</span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426129902082_4256" dir="ltr"><span>Alan</span></div><br>
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<font size="2" face="Arial"><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b> Adam
Lawrence via Personal_Submersibles
<<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> 'Personal Submersibles General
Discussion' <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 12, 2015 4:04
PM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
Ballast air<br></font></div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426129902082_4261" dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="yiv2768673739160040003-12032015"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Allen,</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="yiv2768673739160040003-12032015"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426129902082_4265" dir="ltr" align="left"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426129902082_4264" class="yiv2768673739160040003-12032015"><font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426129902082_4263" color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">No, not
breathing pure O2, just enough to sustain you at the normal needed consumption
rate, this O2 is mixed with filtered and scrubbed cabin air at the canister
when you inhale.</font></span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426129902082_4266" dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="yiv2768673739160040003-12032015"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1426129902082_4267" dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="yiv2768673739160040003-12032015"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">A
one tam sub, I am in Houston Texas.</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="yiv2768673739160040003-12032015"></span><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="2">Adam</font></font></font></div>
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Personal_Submersibles [<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Alan James via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b>
Wednesday, March 11, 2015 9:46 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles
General Discussion<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Ballast
air<br clear="none"></font><br clear="none"></div>
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<div id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426127663472_2857" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426127663472_2856">So are you breathing pure O2 in
an emergency situation?</span></div>
<div id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426127663472_2855" dir="ltr">I guess the only
time you would have a full face mask on</div>
<div id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426127663472_2855" dir="ltr">is when there is
smoke in the cabin from a fire.</div>
<div id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426127663472_2855" dir="ltr">If you breathed
pure O2 you would be adding more fuel to the</div>
<div id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426127663472_2855" dir="ltr">flames.</div>
<div id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426127663472_2855" dir="ltr">What sort of sub do
you own Adam & what part of the World are you from?</div>
<div id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426127663472_2855" dir="ltr">I'm down in
N.Z.</div>
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<font id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426127663472_2854" size="2" face="Arial"><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b> Adam Lawrence via
Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> 'Personal
Submersibles General Discussion' <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br clear="none"><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March
12, 2015 3:24 PM<br clear="none"><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Ballast air<br clear="none"></font></div>
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<div id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426127663472_2808" class="yiv2768673739MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi Allen,</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></span></div>
<div id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426127663472_2811" class="yiv2768673739MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><font color="#000000"></font></span> </div>
<div id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426127663472_2812" class="yiv2768673739MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426127663472_5662" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">What
I have is simpler than a full blown rebreather.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></span></div>
<div id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426127663472_2813" class="yiv2768673739MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426127663472_2814" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The
oxygen supply/flow enters the cabin at the scrubber canister. The canister has
an air filter on it already (dust/smoke/hydrogen sulfide...). The emergency
piece of equipment is a full face mask with a hose that connects to the scrubber
assembly (fan off) on the inhale side, exhale goes back into the
cabin.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></span></div>
<div id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426127663472_2815" class="yiv2768673739MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><font color="#000000"></font></span> </div>
<div id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426127663472_2816" class="yiv2768673739MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426127663472_2817" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The next
simple version may be just a full face mask with dust/vapor cartridge, good
enough to keep your eyes and lungs clean while making a quick
ascent.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></span></div>
<div id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426127663472_5661" class="yiv2768673739MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><font color="#000000"></font></span> </div>
<div id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426127663472_5660" class="yiv2768673739MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426127663472_5659" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Those
millionaires get all the toys.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></span></div>
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<div class="yiv2768673739MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Adam</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></span></div></div><br clear="none">
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[<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org">mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alan James
via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 11, 2015
5:27 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Ballast air<br clear="none"></font><br clear="none"></div>
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<div id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426112015002_6154" dir="ltr"><span>Hi
Adam,</span></div>
<div id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426112015002_6154" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426112015002_6256">that would require a rebreather
style set up to do that.</span></div>
<div id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426112015002_6154" dir="ltr">I believe they had
a rebreather back up on James Camerons sub.</div>
<div id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426112015002_6154" dir="ltr">A bit expensive
& complicated.</div>
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<font id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426112015002_7160" size="2" face="Arial"><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b> Adam Lawrence via
Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> 'Personal
Submersibles General Discussion' <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br clear="none"><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March
12, 2015 8:27 AM<br clear="none"><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Ballast air<br clear="none"></font></div>
<div id="yiv2768673739yui_3_16_0_1_1426112015002_7452" class="yiv2768673739y_msg_container"><br clear="none">For emergencies, wouldn’t you
use a full-face mask connected to a CO2<br clear="none">scrubber and air filter
and pure oxygen, all on the inhale side...<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Compressed scuba air would increase cabin pressure and make things<br clear="none">uncomfortable...<br clear="none"><br clear="none">-----Original
Message-----<br clear="none">From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org">personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org</a>]<br clear="none">On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none">Sent:
Wednesday, March 11, 2015 10:26 AM<br clear="none">To: Personal Submersibles
General Discussion<br clear="none">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Ballast air<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Brian,<br clear="none">I don't mean
oxygen, I mean regular scuba air. I have and am sure all<br clear="none">other subs have scuba breathing apparatus for emergencies like
smoke. I<br clear="none">take air from my ballast supply for that
purpose. If your ballast air is<br clear="none">Nitrogen then you will need
an extra tank for emergency breathing. <br clear="none">Hank
--------------------------------------------<br clear="none">On Wed, 3/11/15,
Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Ballast air<br clear="none">To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion"<br clear="none"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">Received: Wednesday, March 11, 2015, 10:18 AM<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Yes, my oxygen will be a separate<br clear="none">tank, or tanks.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Brian<br clear="none"><br clear="none">--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none">wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">From: hank pronk via
Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br clear="none"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Ballast air<br clear="none">Date: Wed, 11
Mar 2015 05:37:11 -0700<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Brian,<br clear="none">You
must be planning to have a separate tank for emergency air for<br clear="none">breathing, in case of fire etc.<br clear="none">Hank<br clear="none">--------------------------------------------<br clear="none">On Wed,
3/11/15, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles<br clear="none"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
Ballast air<br clear="none"> To: "PSubs" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"> Received: Wednesday, March 11, 2015, 2:50 AM<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> I'm planning on having<br clear="none"> 3 - 300cu ft air cylinders for my ballast supply air.<br clear="none"> I noticed that if I get them filled with nitrogen it is<br clear="none"> cheaper than getting breathing or industrial air<br clear="none"> ! That is, until I get my own<br clear="none">
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