<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_2890"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_3108">Hi Bob,</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_2892"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_2891">yes I remember you from Washington.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_2896"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_2895">I am the guy from New Zealand with the funny accent.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_2896"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_2932">A lot of people on site are using Minn Kotta trolling motors.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_2896"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_3084">A number of people have recently purchased Minn Kota 101s</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_2896"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_3055">with the Minn Kota controller. If you went that route you would</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_2896"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_3115">have a lot of help, & the Minn kotas are a tried & true solution.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_2896"><span>I am not sure what the consensus is on compensating them.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_2896"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_3281">I am intending to oil compensate my home made thrusters,</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_2896"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_3282">mainly to help disipate the heat; & will pressurize the oil with air,</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_2896"><span>slightly above ambient.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_2896">IVC in Vancouver sell thruster assemblies for $2,195- each.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_2896"><a href="http://www.ivccorp.com/content.html?page=2" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_3397">http://www.ivccorp.com/content.html?page=2</a><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_2896">I can't tell you what the assembly comprises.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_2896">Alan</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_2896"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_2896"><span><br></span></div><br> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_2899"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_2898"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_2897"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_3340"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_2900"> <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_3342"><span style="font-weight:bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_3341">From:</span></b> via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_3344"><span style="font-weight: bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_3343">To:</span></b> "submersibles, personal" <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_3582"><span style="font-weight: bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_3581">Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 12, 2015 7:07 PM<br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_3584"><span style="font-weight: bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_3583">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_3050"><br><div id="yiv7086219212"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_3049"><div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:#000000;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_3048"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_3054">Alan,<br clear="none"></div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_3052">Thank you for your reply. My name is Bob Travis. I don't know how to make my name show up on my emails like the rest of the group and I apologize for not signing my question. I have watched the threads for years now and I met some of you at the Psubs convention in Washington this last year (I was the one that no one was expecting). But for the most part, I have just watched, read and attempted to learn. </div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421051419432_3047">A little background... I started dreaming about a sub in 2005. My wife (aka.. the read head) gave me permission to proceed, but of course, has occasionally put up some road blocks which has delayed things a bit. I started the actual construction a little over 5 years ago. I have studied Trustworthy, Persistence and Guernsey Submarine as well as snoopy and some of the other boats on the site and have gained great a great bit of knowledge and direction. I have also learned an amazing amount from reading the threads from the group. </div>
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<div>About me... I am the quiet one that sits in the back of the class not wanting any attention. I have a huge problem with putting myself out there. I live in Eastern Washington and I am building a K-350...... and, because of the above, have not posted my project pictures on the site. I keep thinking that I am going to do this but I just haven't taken the time (or built up the nerve). I am a pencil pusher. I don't have a mechanical bone in my body! So some of the most basic things are very difficult for me to get my arms around. Want to negotiate a $500,000 deal, I'm your guy! Want to hook up an electrical panel... Ahhhhhhh???????? I have made almost all of my structural parts, have had them welded and am now working on my electrical and have not a clue what I am doing at this point. I am struggling with some of the most basic items (like finding the correct ampere meter) and for some reason have a mental block on how to proceed. I really appreciate your response and will follow the link!</div>
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<div>I am at the point where the red head has told me to "get that stupid thing done" and I am not going to question it! With her recent permission, I have a renewed energy level and will be doing what ever possible so that I am testing in August! So with that said, I am going to be asking a bunch of very basic, stupid questions! I will do my best to go back through the archives as to not bog the group down with previous topics.</div>
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<div>Hank... Any chance you will be making a journey to Spokane any time soon???</div>
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<div>Thanks again everybody!!! And with your help, and a little luck, I will be dragging my boat to the next Psubs convention on the east coats so you all can teach me how to dive it!</div>
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<div dir="ltr" id="yiv7086219212yui_3_16_0_1_1421022964328_3112"><span>Hi,</span></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv7086219212yui_3_16_0_1_1421022964328_3111"><span id="yiv7086219212yui_3_16_0_1_1421022964328_3167">not sure who I am talking to, but the brushless motors put out a lot less</span></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv7086219212yui_3_16_0_1_1421022964328_3110"><span id="yiv7086219212yui_3_16_0_1_1421022964328_3118">electronic noise, so less interferance with sensitive equipment.</span></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv7086219212yui_3_16_0_1_1421022964328_3110"><span id="yiv7086219212yui_3_16_0_1_1421022964328_3114">They don't wear out as quickly, as they don't have brushes, & you get more power </span></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv7086219212yui_3_16_0_1_1421022964328_3110"><span id="yiv7086219212yui_3_16_0_1_1421022964328_3168">for the same size unit. About 7 out of 8 thruster manufacturers use BLDC motors.</span></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv7086219212yui_3_16_0_1_1421022964328_3110"><span id="yiv7086219212yui_3_16_0_1_1421022964328_3272">There are a host of cheap motors at "Hobby King" With 785 Watt motors for $25-</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" id="yiv7086219212yui_3_16_0_1_1421022964328_3110"><span id="yiv7086219212yui_3_16_0_1_1421022964328_3313">You need an esc (electronic speed controller ) which costs about $50-.</span></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv7086219212yui_3_16_0_1_1421022964328_3110"><span id="yiv7086219212yui_3_16_0_1_1421022964328_3349">The escs normally work off a receiver sending them commands from the remote control transmitter.</span></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv7086219212yui_3_16_0_1_1421022964328_3110"><span id="yiv7086219212yui_3_16_0_1_1421022964328_3372">However there are control units you can buy that are wired straight to the esc.</span></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv7086219212yui_3_16_0_1_1421022964328_3110"><span id="yiv7086219212yui_3_16_0_1_1421022964328_3415">I am experimenting with BLDC motors at the moment & are wanting to make up a thruster.</span></div>
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<span id="yiv7086219212yui_3_16_0_1_1421022964328_3087" style="FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;"><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">From:</span></b> via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br clear="none"><b id="yiv7086219212yui_3_16_0_1_1421022964328_3366"><span id="yiv7086219212yui_3_16_0_1_1421022964328_3365" style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">To:</span></b> "submersibles, personal" <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br clear="none"><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 12, 2015 1:23 PM<br clear="none"><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Subject:</span></b> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor<br clear="none"></span></div>
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<div id="yiv7086219212yui_3_16_0_1_1421022964328_3105"><br clear="none">Is there a reason I should go with a brushless motor? I can get a 500 watt, 36 volt scooter motor for about 50 bucks but brushless are harder to find and more expensive. Is there an email thread on this already? Has this been a topic of discussion in the past?</div></div></div></div><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv7086219212yui_3_16_0_1_1421022964328_3233" target="_blank" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br clear="none">
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