<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>Hank,</div><div>I take it a 1" thick 60" diameter sphere weighs 4521 lbs leaving 2509 lbs of positive boyancy. </div><div>A 1.25" thick 60" diameter sphere weighs 5650lbs leaving 1380 lbs of positive boyancy. Are my calcs correct? Anyone know how much pressure these can withstand?</div><div><br></div><div>My thought is 3300 feet is 1470psi. With a higher than 1.25 safety factor I should aim for 2,000 psi or more. Right?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Scott Waters</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:9px;color:#575757">Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone</div></div><div></div><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br>Date:01/08/2015 5:23 PM (GMT-06:00) <br>To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org <br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub <br><br><br><br>A 60in sphere .75in thick weighs 3391lbs it displaces 7030 lbs leaves you with 3640 bouyancy<br>Hanh<br><br><br>------------------------------<br>On Thu, 8 Jan, 2015 6:12 PM EST hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote:<br><br>><br>>Scott,<br>>You could do just what Vance says and down the road if you like you could swap out the hull with a HY-100 hull. This way you get more experience and have the ability to upgrade. That is funny really, upgrade from 2,700 feet to what? :-)<br>>Hank--------------------------------------------<br>>On Thu, 1/8/15, via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br>><br>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub<br>> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org<br>> Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 6:01 PM<br>> <br>> You'll get plenty of encouragement from us,<br>> I would think, along with an appropriate amount of razzing.<br>> Don't worry about the nay-sayers. I would remind you<br>> that Karl Stanley has been listening to that shit for years.<br>> Well, not listening exactly, because he went ahead in spite<br>> of them, and looks pretty cheerful about the results. Who<br>> wouldn't be?<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> And<br>> speaking of Idabel, have you thought about multiple spheres?<br>> I talked to Karl in New Orleans a couple of years ago, and<br>> did some figuring afterwards. A couple of intersecting<br>> 5' spheres with a free flooding sail and a few small<br>> cameras might get you a 5-tonnish sub. Do the big Perry<br>> style viewport in front with maybe some 12-inchers on either<br>> side in both hulls? Maybe a dome hatch/conn on top in the<br>> back sphere? It might need some foam to float, but that<br>> isn't much of a problem these days. Hmm.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Idabel's aft sphere and conning tower are<br>> A516GR70, in case you were wondering. You'd have to run<br>> some numbers. Maybe .75" wall? I'm not sure.<br>> Something to think about, anyway. And small is good for<br>> psubs, right?<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Vance<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> <br>> From: swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles<br>> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br>> <br>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br>> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br>> <br>> Sent: Thu, Jan 8, 2015 3:56 pm<br>> <br>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Thanks Alan!!! That really means alot to me. In my<br>> hobby, I don't get alot of encouragement from others<br>> untill I am sucsessful. It is nice to have it along the<br>> way!<br>> <br>> Thanks again!,<br>> <br>> Scott Waters<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Sent from my U.S.<br>> Cellular® Smartphone<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -------- Original message --------<br>> <br>> From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <br>> <br>> Date:01/08/2015 2:13 PM (GMT-06:00) <br>> <br>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <br>> <br>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Scott,<br>> <br>> you made a<br>> K350 in record time & you are relatively young as a sub<br>> builder.<br>> <br>> I would<br>> encourage you to build, as you will increase<br>> your<br>> <br>> knowledge<br>> & skill base in the process & save money. Who knows<br>> where <br>> <br>> it<br>> will go from there.<br>> <br>> Alan<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> From: T Novak via<br>> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br>> <br>> To:<br>> 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br>> <br>> <br>> Sent:<br>> Thursday, January 8, 2015 5:44 PM<br>> <br>> Subject: Re:<br>> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> #yiv8448773638<br>> #yiv8448773638AOLMsgPart_2_259e006c-678b-47c8-9977-0e78a984083d<br>> td{color:black;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody<br>> -- filtered {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2<br>> 4;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody filtered <br>> {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2<br>> 4;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody <br>> p.yiv8448773638MsoNormal, #yiv8448773638<br>> .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody li.yiv8448773638MsoNormal,<br>> #yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody <br>> div.yiv8448773638MsoNormal <br>> {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv8448773638<br>> .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody a:link, #yiv8448773638<br>> .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody <br>> span.yiv8448773638MsoHyperlink <br>> {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8448773638<br>> .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody a:visited, #yiv8448773638<br>> .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody <br>> span.yiv8448773638MsoHyperlinkFollowed <br>> {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8448773638<br>> .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody <br>> span.yiv8448773638EmailStyle17 <br>> {color:#1F497D;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody<br>> .yiv8448773638MsoChpDefault <br>> {font-size:10.0pt;}#yiv8448773638<br>> .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody filtered {margin:72.0pt<br>> 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}#yiv8448773638<br>> .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody div.yiv8448773638WordSection1<br>> {}#yiv8448773638 <br>> <br>> <br>> Scott,<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> If you are okay with purchasing a<br>> 1000m sub rather than building it, then what are your<br>> thoughts on the Triton line? Pricey?<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Tim<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> From:<br>> Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org]<br>> On Behalf Of swaters@waters-ks.com<br>> via Personal_Submersibles<br>> Sent:<br>> January-07-15 12:07 PM<br>> To: Personal<br>> Submersibles General Discussion<br>> Subject:<br>> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Hank,<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> The records I have of<br>> Pisces say they are made of HY-100 and capable to 2000<br>> meters. <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> 1000 feet isn't<br>> enough of a challenge for me. My goal is 3,300 feet or more,<br>> but may have no choice to shallow it up because of material,<br>> but we will see. The plan is to have enough redundancy and<br>> enough safety features like jettisonable manipulator arms<br>> and even a jettisonable personel sphere that it is as safe<br>> as it can be at that depth.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Thanks,<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Scott Waters<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Sent from my U.S.<br>> Cellular® Smartphone<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -------- Original message --------<br>> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <br>> Date:01/07/2015 1:39 PM (GMT-06:00) <br>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br>> <br>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's<br>> new sub <br>> <br>> <br>> Scott,<br>> I thought Vance said<br>> they were 516-70, I must have read it wrong. I don't<br>> know what your planning with a 1,000m capable sub. I<br>> can't imagine diving that deep with no means of<br>> rescue. Are you planning on two subs maybe? Don't<br>> get me wrong, I love the idea. What about copying one in<br>> 516-70 and live with the depth capability. I would imagine<br>> you could see 1,000 feet plus, a very respectable and<br>> affordable Psub. <br>> Hank--------------------------------------------<br>> On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters@waters-ks.com<br>> via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br>> wrote:<br>> <br>> Subject: Re:<br>> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub<br>> To:<br>> "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br>> Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 1:44<br>> PM<br>> <br>> I would<br>> love to, except a Pisces is HY-100, which I am<br>> having a<br>> terrible time getting that<br>> material. I'd love to go on a<br>> deep dive<br>> with you though! I am going to Seneca lake New<br>> York this April for some deep diving. Might be<br>> also going to<br>> lake Michigan this year<br>> too.Thanks,Scott Waters<br>> <br>> Sent<br>> from my U.S. Cellular®<br>> Smartphone<br>> <br>> --------<br>> Original message --------<br>> From: hank pronk<br>> via Personal_Submersibles <br>> Date:01/07/2015 12:23 PM (GMT-06:00) <br>> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org<br>> <br>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new<br>> sub <br>> <br>> Hi Scott,<br>> Maybe you could save some money and time if you<br>> just copy a<br>> pices sub. Check with the folks<br>> at Nuytco, maybe you can<br>> crawl around the<br>> sub with caliper in hand. Perhaps you<br>> could even look at the drawings, I am sure they<br>> are with the<br>> sub. When your done measuring<br>> the sub, swing by and we<br>> can go for a spin<br>> in a deep lake.<br>> Hank <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br>> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br>> <br>> <br>> -----Inline<br>> Attachment Follows-----<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br>> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br>> <br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br>> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br>> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br>> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br>> Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br>> <br>><br>>_______________________________________________<br>>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br>>Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br>>http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Personal_Submersibles mailing list<br>Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org<br>http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles<br><br></body></html>