<div dir="ltr">I think that would be fine sport. But you'll all be wrong about the stern, hehehe. This should be fun.<div><br></div><div>Alec</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 8:03 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div>Alec, are we allowed to conjecture as to what you have created ?</div><div> </div><div>Brian<br><br>--- <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> wrote:<br><br>From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><span class=""><br>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br></span><span class="">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub<br></span>Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 15:15:16 +0000<br><br></div><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr"><div>Ive just had a look and managed to find the old pics lurking on wayback machine. </div><div> </div><div><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20050307112458/http://www.psubs.org/psub_pic/alec_smyth3.html" target="_blank">http://web.archive.org/web/20050307112458/http://www.psubs.org/psub_pic/alec_smyth3.html</a></div></div><div><br><div>On 7 January 2015 at 13:32, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">Alec,<br>
Hmmm, we are left be being detectives are we.:-) The sub must be quite long with a snuggly 31 in dia,and a weight of 4500 lbs. I sure like the all SS or plastic.<br>
<span>Hank<br>
--------------------------------------------<br>
On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
</span> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub<br>
<span> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>
</span> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:34 PM<br>
<div><div><br>
At the convention if it happens here!<br>
I'm thinking of a social event. I'll give you a few random<br>
high level attributes...<br>
<br>
The main cylinder came from my old project sub "Solo",<br>
shortened a little. It's good for 1000 feet but only for<br>
skinny people at 31" OD.<br>
<br>
The CT is from PC-1402.<br>
<br>
The hatch is PC1402 design, but newly made by Emile.<br>
<br>
Four fixed MK-101s, jettisonable and oil compensated by a<br>
new method, not the little wound-around hoses like Snoopy.<br>
<br>
Bow dome.<br>
<br>
Snoopy method of VBT floats but with way more of them.<br>
<br>
Every part other than the pressure hull proper is either 316<br>
SS or plastic. Every last little bracket, including inside.<br>
I hate rust.<br>
<br>
The stern... The stern... You will just have to wait for<br>
that one. I suspect one and only one person will love<br>
it. It's guaranteed to be different, I'll just say<br>
that.<br>
<br>
The objective is for a 2 person boat that weighs less than<br>
4500 lbs and launches at very shallow boat ramps, but which<br>
is practical in open water with 30" freeboard and an actual<br>
deck. Air tanks and VBT floats are replaceable without<br>
putting a diver in the water.<br>
<br>
The design philosophy is a search for radical simplicity. I<br>
want to ship this one around the world to interesting<br>
places, and cannot in those situations find myself lacking a<br>
spare part or the sub would become a giant paperweight. Thus<br>
the whole thing has very, very few parts, minimal<br>
electronics, components as accessible as possible, etc.<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Alec<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> On Jan 6, 2015, at 6:20 PM, hank pronk via<br>
Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Alec,<br>
> When are you going to show us some pictures of your new<br>
build. Perhaps even a teaser.<br>
> Hank<br>
> --------------------------------------------<br>
> On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles<br>
<<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo<br>
> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>
> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 6:13 PM<br>
><br>
> Hank,<br>
><br>
> Ha, I think I know that GPR is actually "GRP". But<br>
that's<br>
> about the extent of it.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
><br>
> Alec<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>> On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, hank pronk via<br>
> Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Alec,<br>
>> I had concerns about the GPR hull, only because I<br>
have<br>
> no clue about GPR hulls. I though a new hull with<br>
CT<br>
> would be the ticket. The domes rest right on the<br>
hull(<br>
> over 2in thick GPR) It would be a<br>
pretty<br>
> simple hull to build. A 32in dia tube with some<br>
> external rings and your away. I actually saw this<br>
sub<br>
> in Nelson BC Canada about 20 years ago. I drove 5 hr<br>
one way<br>
> to see it, they bought it to do log salvage. My<br>
> brother and I were already salvaging the logs they<br>
were<br>
> after :-)<br>
>> Hank-------------------------------------------<br>
>> On Tue, 1/6/15, Alec Smyth via<br>
Personal_Submersibles<br>
> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo<br>
>> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion"<br>
<<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>
>> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 3:16 PM<br>
>><br>
>> Scott,<br>
>> this does not look like it could do any surface run<br>
to<br>
> speak<br>
>> of. Methinks you'd need a real surface ship. When<br>
you<br>
>> and Hank come BACK from Tenerife I'll tag along!<br>
>> Best,<br>
>><br>
>> Alec<br>
>> <br>
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:04<br>
>> PM, <a href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" target="_blank">swaters@waters-ks.com</a><br>
>> via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>> Ok. Thanks<br>
>> Hank.Scott<br>
>> Waters<br>
>><br>
>> Sent from my U.S.<br>
>> Cellular® Smartphone<br>
>><br>
>> -------- Original message<br>
>> --------<br>
>> From:<br>
>> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <br>
>> Date:01/06/2015 12:46 PM<br>
>> (GMT-06:00)<br>
>> To: Personal Submersibles<br>
>> General Discussion <br>
>> Subject: Re:<br>
>> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Scott,<br>
>> I lost the pics in a pc<br>
>> problem You can contact Alan at<br>
> Silvercrest, he was the<br>
>> agent. If you want to go to Tenerife to see<br>
it I<br>
> will tag<br>
>> along. <br>
>> Hank--------------------------------------------<br>
>> On Tue, 1/6/15, <a href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" target="_blank">swaters@waters-ks.com</a><br>
>> via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Subject: Re:<br>
>> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo<br>
>> To: "Personal<br>
>> Submersibles General Discussion" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>
>> Received: Tuesday, January 6,<br>
2015, 1:36 PM<br>
>><br>
>> That<br>
>> might<br>
>> be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My<br>
goal<br>
>> is 1000 meters or deeper, but<br>
depends on what<br>
>> options come<br>
>> up.Thanks,Scott Waters<br>
>><br>
>> Sent<br>
>> from<br>
>> my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone<br>
>><br>
>> -------- Original message<br>
--------<br>
>> From: hank pronk via<br>
Personal_Submersibles<br>
>><br>
>> Date:01/06/2015 12:25<br>
PM (GMT-06:00)<br>
>><br>
>> To: Personal Submersibles General<br>
>> Discussion <br>
>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]<br>
>> Leo<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Scott,<br>
>> I don't know how deep you want<br>
>> to go and how much effort<br>
>> you want to put<br>
>> in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in<br>
>><br>
>> Tenerife Spain. The Wrangler is GPR with two<br>
> 34in<br>
>> domes, one at each end. One<br>
end opens as<br>
>> the<br>
>> hatch. My idea was to<br>
replace the<br>
>> hull with 516-70<br>
>> steel with a CT. It had<br>
>> a deal worked out at 50K<br>
>> landed in<br>
>> Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet.<br>
>><br>
>> Hank<br>
> --------------------------------------------<br>
>> On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via<br>
>> Personal_Submersibles<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Subject: Re:<br>
>> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo<br>
>> To: "Personal<br>
>> Submersibles General Discussion"<br>
>><br>
>> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>
>> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015,<br>
> 1:12<br>
>> PM<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Scott,<br>
>> Did he say where<br>
>> and how deep?<br>
>> <br>
>> Hank--------------------------------------------<br>
>> On Tue, 1/6/15, <a href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" target="_blank">swaters@waters-ks.com</a><br>
>> via Personal_Submersibles<br>
>><br>
>> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo<br>
>> To:<br>
>> "Personal Submersibles General<br>
>><br>
>> Discussion" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>
>> Received: Tuesday, January<br>
6, 2015, 10:57<br>
>> AM<br>
>> <br>
>> An<br>
>> update on Leo. Silvercrest<br>
claims she was<br>
>> sunk in<br>
>> deep<br>
>> water<br>
>> after a insurance claim<br>
some time<br>
>> ago. Thanks,Scott<br>
>> <br>
>> Waters<br>
>> Sent<br>
>> from my<br>
>> U.S. Cellular® Smartphone<br>
>> <br>
>> -------- Original message<br>
--------<br>
>> From: via<br>
Personal_Submersibles <br>
>> Date:01/06/2015 8:02<br>
AM<br>
> (GMT-06:00)<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br>
>> <br>
>> Subject: Re:<br>
>> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces<br>
>> <br>
>> It would surely be nice to<br>
find<br>
>> Leo. I'd go into hock again<br>
for that<br>
>> one, just<br>
>> for old<br>
>> <br>
>> time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm<br>
>> virtually<br>
>> certain that<br>
>> those particular hull(s) were built of<br>
>> <br>
>> A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and<br>
most<br>
>> of<br>
>> the<br>
>> <br>
>> boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the<br>
ones<br>
>> without<br>
>> cyrillic<br>
>> operating manuals).<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> I don't remember how thick the steel<br>
>><br>
>> was, but it was definitely made from<br>
> standard stuff.<br>
>> Plus,<br>
>> the main viewport<br>
>> was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving<br>
>> that<br>
>> thing was seriously<br>
awesome. She had<br>
> plenty<br>
>> of room<br>
>> for<br>
>> two<br>
>> (or enough for three good<br>
friends) and<br>
> that<br>
>> huge<br>
>> picture<br>
>> window in<br>
>> the front.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> If Hyco had survived (Leo<br>
was their<br>
>> last<br>
>> P-style boat) I'm betting<br>
there<br>
>> would be more of<br>
>> them<br>
>> <br>
>> out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's<br>
>> stranglehold on the shallow<br>
water market<br>
>> (shallow by<br>
>> comparison) and I think it<br>
>> was a really good try.<br>
>> Sadly,<br>
>> it<br>
>> all fell apart before<br>
>> we could really show her<br>
>> off.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> We did all the deepwater pilot<br>
> training<br>
>><br>
>> in her down on the Flower Gardens,<br>
and<br>
> had a ball.<br>
>> These<br>
>> days, she'd be<br>
>> even better, because the<br>
>> subsystems and<br>
>> propulsion gear is so much<br>
better. That<br>
> sub<br>
>> was rated<br>
>> for<br>
>> 2000<br>
>> feet, which ain't bad. How about that<br>
>><br>
>> for an option,<br>
>> Scott?<br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> No fancy steel. Huge<br>
>> viewport. 600<br>
>> meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2<br>
>><br>
>> foot<br>
>> sphere displaces less than<br>
6-tons.<br>
>> Add a pair of<br>
>> uncle<br>
>> <br>
>> Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam<br>
>> to<br>
>> support them. Fair the<br>
>> thing like a fat tadpole. You<br>
>> could<br>
>> probably hold it down to 7,<br>
maybe 7 1/2<br>
>> tons.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> Leo weighs 10. Most of the<br>
P-boats<br>
>> weigh<br>
>> that, and a good bit more.<br>
Yours<br>
>> would be a<br>
>> lightweight<br>
>> <br>
>> compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build,<br>
more<br>
>> agile,<br>
>> easier to<br>
>> maintain..... The list goes on. What could<br>
>><br>
>> be<br>
>> better? Damn, I want one!!!<br>
It would<br>
>> be perfect for<br>
>> my<br>
>> <br>
>> neck<br>
>> of the woods.<br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>> Vance<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> <br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" target="_blank">swaters@waters-ks.com</a><br>
>> via Personal_Submersibles<br>
>><br>
>> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>
>> <br>
>> To: Personal<br>
>> Submersibles General Discussion<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>
>> <br>
>> Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015<br>
>> 7:49 am<br>
>> <br>
>> Subject:<br>
>> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Thanks for the info<br>
>> Phil. I keep running into the<br>
>> same<br>
>> problems of the material<br>
and building of<br>
>> the<br>
>> personel<br>
>> sphere.<br>
>> <br>
>> Scott Waters<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Sent from my U.S.<br>
>> Cellular®<br>
>> Smartphone<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> -------- Original message --------<br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> From: Phil Nuytten via<br>
>> Personal_Submersibles <br>
>> <br>
>> Date:01/05/2015 8:44<br>
PM<br>
> (GMT-06:00)<br>
>> <br>
>> To: Personal<br>
>> Submersibles General Discussion <br>
>> <br>
>> Subject: Re:<br>
[PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Hi, Guys, and Happy<br>
>> New Year to all loyal<br>
>> subbers!!<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Glad to shed some little<br>
light on the<br>
>> Pisces<br>
>> subs<br>
>> . .We<br>
>> (Nuytco) have<br>
>> four Hyco boats –<br>
>> 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5<br>
>> are<br>
>> in<br>
>> Hawaii at HURL<br>
>> (Hawaii<br>
>> Underwater Research Lab)<br>
–<br>
>> they are out of<br>
>> service,<br>
>><br>
>> currently and may be sold<br>
>> off if no<br>
>> funding is forthcoming. I hope not,<br>
>><br>
>> because<br>
>> Terry<br>
>> Kerby<br>
>> and his crew<br>
>> rebuilt them into the<br>
>> cream of the Pisces crop! There<br>
>> are<br>
>> two Pisces boats in<br>
>> <br>
>> Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or,<br>
>> actually<br>
>> ,<br>
>><br>
>> outside a museum).<br>
>> Pisces –1, is<br>
>> in the UK, last seen, it was in<br>
>> parts.<br>
>> Likewise, P-6 <br>
>> is in<br>
>> parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking<br>
>> of<br>
>> IUC’s vessel<br>
>> ‘Aloha’)<br>
>> and what’s left is in<br>
>> New York as Vance mentions. I<br>
>> cut<br>
>> a<br>
>> deal with my old<br>
>> friend Andre Galerne<br>
(before his<br>
>> untimely<br>
>> death) to<br>
>> have<br>
>> first dibs on<br>
>> buying P-6 to go into the<br>
>> ‘working sub’<br>
>> Hyco/Pisces<br>
>> display section at our<br>
>> <br>
>> long-awaited ‘Deep Discovery Centre’ diving<br>
>> technology<br>
>> museum. His<br>
>> sons, Lionel<br>
>> and Eric were kind enough<br>
>> to honour Andre’s<br>
>> wishes<br>
>> and we will arrange<br>
>> <br>
>> shipment to the west coast when the weather gets<br>
>> better.<br>
>> Would appreciate<br>
>> it if<br>
>> you would steer clear of<br>
this one<br>
>> – we do plan to<br>
>> rebuild<br>
>> to the same condition<br>
>> <br>
>> as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for .<br>
.<br>
>> ‘Leo’ – I heard some<br>
years<br>
>> ago that it was for sale<br>
(cheap) but have<br>
>> no idea<br>
>> what<br>
>> ultimately<br>
>> happened to<br>
>> it. Maybe ask at<br>
>> Silvercrest? About all you will be<br>
>> able<br>
>> to<br>
>> use from the P-boats<br>
>><br>
>> now is the personnel sphere<br>
– you’d<br>
>> probably be<br>
>> better<br>
>> off<br>
>> building one from<br>
>> scratch if you want a<br>
>> thousand feet or less – after<br>
>> the<br>
>> first thou, the spheres<br>
>><br>
>> get much more expensive.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Reagards<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Phil<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>> From: mailto:<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>> Sent: Monday,<br>
>> January 05, 2015 4:43 PM<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> To: Personal<br>
>> Submersibles General<br>
>> <br>
>> Discussion<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Subject: Re:<br>
[PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what<br>
> turns up.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Scott Waters<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
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>> International Underwater<br>
>> Contractors. When Andre<br>
Galern was alive,<br>
>> it was one<br>
>> of<br>
>> THE<br>
>> deep diving<br>
>> <br>
>> construction companies in the world. No idea<br>
>> what's<br>
>> happened up<br>
>> there in the<br>
>> last few years. Best to<br>
>> ask Dr. Phil that one, too.<br>
>> He<br>
>> knew/knows all those<br>
>> <br>
>> guys.<br>
>> <br>
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>><br>
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>> Anything is possible,<br>
Scott.<br>
>> SIlvercrest will skin you<br>
alive, given<br>
> half<br>
>> an<br>
>> opportunity.<br>
>> Or at<br>
>> least they'll<br>
>> try. You have to be<br>
>> willing to wrangle with them. I<br>
>> <br>
>> don't think they'll respect<br>
>> <br>
>> anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one<br>
>> laying<br>
>> around. I've<br>
>> never asked.<br>
>> You could do a lot worse,<br>
>> if the hulls are<br>
>> salvageable.<br>
>> There are four pressure<br>
>><br>
>> vessels (except on Leo). The<br>
personnel<br>
> sphere, an<br>
>> aft<br>
>> floatation sphere, and<br>
>> the<br>
>> two 32" forward VBTs<br>
>> (that's what is under<br>
>> the<br>
>> fiberglas brow that makes<br>
the P<br>
>> boats so distinctive. And<br>
the boats weigh<br>
>> from ten<br>
>> to<br>
>> twelve<br>
>> tons, depending.<br>
>> Just<br>
>> in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds<br>
>> for<br>
>> load capability. The<br>
>><br>
>> P-VI was the most perfect<br>
hull Hyco<br>
>> ever did--it was<br>
>> fabricated in Jacques<br>
>><br>
>> Piccard's shop in<br>
Switzerland under<br>
>> contract, and<br>
>> was<br>
>> lap<br>
>> finished, as I<br>
>> understand it--both<br>
>> inside and out. Lovely thing,<br>
>> P-VI. I<br>
>> remember her well.<br>
>> <br>
>> Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it<br>
>> out into<br>
>> a dumpster. That<br>
>> might<br>
>> be another question for our<br>
Dr.<br>
>> Phil, as I have zero<br>
>> contacts up that<br>
>> way<br>
>> anymore. Keep me in mind.<br>
I'll<br>
>> happily spin a<br>
>> wrench for<br>
>><br>
>> you anytime on one of<br>
>> those.<br>
>> <br>
>> Vance<br>
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>> hopeing<br>
>> to locate one and<br>
>> <br>
>> maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one<br>
rather<br>
>> than<br>
>> try to build a 1000m<br>
>><br>
>> boat from scratch. Any more<br>
pointers<br>
>> would be<br>
>> awesome.<br>
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>> Thanks,<br>
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>> P-I Scrapped out by<br>
>><br>
>> Vickers<br>
>> <br>
>> P-II<br>
>> Rumored<br>
>> to be in a Miami storage<br>
unit<br>
>> (unconfirmed)<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> P-III ?<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> P-IV In Hawaii and<br>
>> in service (but stony<br>
broke, I hear)<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> P-V<br>
>> Ditto<br>
>> <br>
>> P-VI<br>
>> IUC warehouse in<br>
>> New York, maybe parted<br>
>> out<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> P-VII In a Russian<br>
>> museum (Sevastopol, I<br>
>> think)<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> P-VIII<br>
>> Nuytco<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> P-IX<br>
>> Design<br>
>> study<br>
>> for Intersub (4K<br>
>> meters, never<br>
>> built)<br>
>> <br>
>> P-X<br>
>> Nuytco<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> P-X11 Same as VII (flanking<br>
the front<br>
>> doors, last I<br>
>> saw)<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Plus Leo, which<br>
>> was a big-window Pisces<br>
>> style rated to<br>
>> 2000'<br>
>> which, along with P-VI and<br>
>> Aquarius, are the only<br>
>> Hyco<br>
>> boats<br>
>> that I qualified<br>
>> on<br>
>> and operated (although the<br>
P-VI<br>
>> experience was not a<br>
>> good<br>
>><br>
>> one for me or the<br>
>> owners, either<br>
>> one). I did participate in a Pisces V<br>
>> <br>
>> overhaul in Houston, but<br>
>> I'm not<br>
>> sure that counts except for the busted<br>
>> <br>
>> knuckles.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> I think the boys at Silvercrest might<br>
>> <br>
>> have one of the question<br>
>> marks, but<br>
>> I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that<br>
>><br>
>> leaves<br>
>> one unaccounted for. I'm<br>
>> betting Mr. Dr. Prof.<br>
Nuytten would know.<br>
>> As a side<br>
>> note,<br>
>> if<br>
>> you look at the<br>
>> Mirs,<br>
>> you will see where they sprang from. They are<br>
>> Pisces<br>
>> boats on steroids.<br>
>><br>
>> Those people worked at IUC<br>
for a couple<br>
>> of years and<br>
>> operated P-VII and P-XII<br>
>><br>
>> for years after that, then<br>
took all<br>
>> those dandy<br>
>> ideas,<br>
>> <br>
>> added<br>
>> a pile of rubles,<br>
>> and built a couple of big<br>
brawny kissing<br>
>> cousins. Mir<br>
>> 1<br>
>> &<br>
>> Mir 2, by name.<br>
>> The Pisces subs were<br>
>> pretty good for the day, but<br>
>> maintenance<br>
>> heavy. And rest<br>
>> assured, you<br>
>> haven't really lived until you have<br>
>><br>
>> pulled<br>
>> a Pisces battery box at<br>
>> sea to change one cell.<br>
What a job!!!<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
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>> Hawaii<br>
>> undersea research lab on<br>
Oahu has<br>
>> two<br>
>> subs.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> One I know<br>
>> is a Pisces & I believe<br>
the<br>
>> other is also.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> I think<br>
>> David Columbo has seen them<br>
in the<br>
>> last year,<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> he might<br>
>> confirm.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> They told me they were<br>
>> losing<br>
>> funding for operating them<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> as Govt considered rovs were<br>
>> better<br>
>> value for money.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>><br>
>> Alan<br>
>> <br>
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to all<br>
>> the Pisces submarines? I<br>
believe there<br>
> was<br>
>> 10 built,<br>
>> but<br>
>> only one<br>
>> or two that<br>
>> are still in operation. I<br>
>> think NOAA has one.<br>
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