<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Alec,</div><div>Sounds veeeery interesting! Looking forward to seeing some pics. Tempted to try and come over for the convention, I am overdue meeting everyone in person. I remember seeing some pics of "solo" ages ago. The aft section i think had 2 motors with a streamlined MBT\hull\motor cover with intakes that looked like shark gills. Best I can describe. Is that all gone now?</div><div>Regards</div><div>James</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 7 January 2015 at 10:12, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div dir="ltr"><span>Sounds good Alec,</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>look forward to seeing it & the unveiling of </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>the mystery stern.... a bust of Obama?</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Alan</span></div><br> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><span><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> <br> </span><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, January 7, 2015 7:22 PM<div><div class="h5"><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub<br> </div></div></font> </div><div><div class="h5"> <div><br>Alec, Is the CT bolted on ?<br><br>Pete<br>--------------------------------------------<br>On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> wrote:<br><br> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub<br> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 9:34 PM<br> <br> At the convention if it happens here!<br> I'm thinking of a social event. I'll give you a few random<br> high level attributes...<br> <br> The main cylinder came from my old project sub "Solo",<br> shortened a little. It's good for 1000 feet but only for<br> skinny people at 31" OD.<br> <br> The CT is from PC-1402.<br> <br> The hatch is PC1402 design, but newly made by Emile.<br> <br> Four fixed MK-101s, jettisonable and oil compensated by a<br> new method, not the little wound-around hoses like Snoopy.<br> <br> Bow dome.<br> <br> Snoopy method of VBT floats but with way more of them.<br> <br> Every part other than the pressure hull proper is either 316<br> SS or plastic. Every last little bracket, including inside.<br> I hate rust.<br> <br> The stern... The stern... You will just have to wait for<br> that one. I suspect one and only one person will love<br> it. It's guaranteed to be different, I'll just say<br> that.<br> <br> The objective is for a 2 person boat that weighs less than<br> 4500 lbs and launches at very shallow boat ramps, but which<br> is practical in open water with 30" freeboard and an actual<br> deck. Air tanks and VBT floats are replaceable without<br> putting a diver in the water. <br> <br> The design philosophy is a search for radical simplicity. I<br> want to ship this one around the world to interesting<br> places, and cannot in those situations find myself lacking a<br> spare part or the sub would become a giant paperweight. Thus<br> the whole thing has very, very few parts, minimal<br> electronics, components as accessible as possible, etc.<br> <br> <br> Thanks,<br> <br> Alec<br> <br> <br> <br> > On Jan 6, 2015, at 6:20 PM, hank pronk via<br> Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> wrote:<br> > <br> > Alec,<br> > When are you going to show us some pictures of your new<br> build. Perhaps even a teaser.<br> > Hank<br> > --------------------------------------------<br> > On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles<br> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> wrote:<br> > <br> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo<br> > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> > Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 6:13 PM<br> > <br> > Hank,<br> > <br> > Ha, I think I know that GPR is actually "GRP". But<br> that's<br> > about the extent of it. <br> > <br> > Thanks,<br> > <br> > Alec<br> > <br> > <br> > <br> >> On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, hank pronk via<br> > Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> > wrote:<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Alec,<br> >> I had concerns about the GPR hull, only because I<br> have<br> > no clue about GPR hulls. I though a new hull with<br> CT<br> > would be the ticket. The domes rest right on the<br> hull(<br> > over 2in thick GPR) It would be a<br> pretty<br> > simple hull to build. A 32in dia tube with some <br> > external rings and your away. I actually saw this<br> sub<br> > in Nelson BC Canada about 20 years ago. I drove 5 hr<br> one way<br> > to see it, they bought it to do log salvage. My<br> > brother and I were already salvaging the logs they<br> were<br> > after :-) <br> >> Hank-------------------------------------------<br> >> On Tue, 1/6/15, Alec Smyth via<br> Personal_Submersibles<br> > <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> > wrote:<br> >> <br> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo<br> >> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion"<br> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 3:16 PM<br> >> <br> >> Scott,<br> >> this does not look like it could do any surface run<br> to<br> > speak<br> >> of. Methinks you'd need a real surface ship. When<br> you<br> >> and Hank come BACK from Tenerife I'll tag along!<br> >> Best,<br> >> <br> >> Alec<br> >> <br> >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:04<br> >> PM, <a href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" target="_blank">swaters@waters-ks.com</a><br> >> via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> >> wrote:<br> >> Ok. Thanks<br> >> Hank.Scott<br> >> Waters<br> >> <br> >> Sent from my U.S.<br> >> Cellular® Smartphone<br> >> <br> >> -------- Original message<br> >> --------<br> >> From:<br> >> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <br> >> Date:01/06/2015 12:46 PM <br> >> (GMT-06:00) <br> >> To: Personal Submersibles<br> >> General Discussion <br> >> Subject: Re:<br> >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Scott, <br> >> I lost the pics in a pc<br> >> problem You can contact Alan at<br> > Silvercrest, he was the<br> >> agent. If you want to go to Tenerife to see<br> it I<br> > will tag<br> >> along. <br> >> Hank--------------------------------------------<br> >> On Tue, 1/6/15, <a href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" target="_blank">swaters@waters-ks.com</a><br> >> via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> >> wrote:<br> >> <br> >> Subject: Re:<br> >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo<br> >> To: "Personal<br> >> Submersibles General Discussion" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> >> Received: Tuesday, January 6,<br> 2015, 1:36 PM<br> >> <br> >> That<br> >> might<br> >> be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My<br> goal<br> >> is 1000 meters or deeper, but<br> depends on what<br> >> options come<br> >> up.Thanks,Scott Waters<br> >> <br> >> Sent<br> >> from<br> >> my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone<br> >> <br> >> -------- Original message<br> --------<br> >> From: hank pronk via<br> Personal_Submersibles <br> >> <br> >> Date:01/06/2015 12:25<br> PM (GMT-06:00)<br> >> <br> >> To: Personal Submersibles General<br> >> Discussion <br> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]<br> >> Leo <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Scott,<br> >> I don't know how deep you want<br> >> to go and how much effort<br> >> you want to put<br> >> in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in<br> >> <br> >> Tenerife Spain. The Wrangler is GPR with two<br> > 34in<br> >> domes, one at each end. One<br> end opens as<br> >> the<br> >> hatch. My idea was to<br> replace the<br> >> hull with 516-70<br> >> steel with a CT. It had<br> >> a deal worked out at 50K<br> >> landed in<br> >> Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet. <br> >> <br> >> Hank <br> > --------------------------------------------<br> >> On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via<br> >> Personal_Submersibles<br> >> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> >> wrote:<br> >> <br> >> Subject: Re:<br> >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo<br> >> To: "Personal<br> >> Submersibles General Discussion"<br> >> <br> >> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015,<br> > 1:12<br> >> PM<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Scott,<br> >> Did he say where<br> >> and how deep?<br> >> <br> >> Hank--------------------------------------------<br> >> On Tue, 1/6/15, <a href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" target="_blank">swaters@waters-ks.com</a><br> >> via Personal_Submersibles<br> >> <br> >> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> >> wrote:<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo<br> >> To:<br> >> "Personal Submersibles General<br> >> <br> >> Discussion" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> >> Received: Tuesday, January<br> 6, 2015, 10:57<br> >> AM<br> >> <br> >> An<br> >> update on Leo. Silvercrest<br> claims she was<br> >> sunk in<br> >> deep<br> >> water<br> >> after a insurance claim<br> some time<br> >> ago. Thanks,Scott<br> >> <br> >> Waters<br> >> Sent<br> >> from my<br> >> U.S. Cellular® Smartphone<br> >> <br> >> -------- Original message<br> --------<br> >> From: via<br> Personal_Submersibles <br> >> Date:01/06/2015 8:02<br> AM <br> > (GMT-06:00) <br> >> To: <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br> >> <br> >> Subject: Re:<br> >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces <br> >> <br> >> It would surely be nice to<br> find<br> >> Leo. I'd go into hock again<br> for that<br> >> one, just<br> >> for old<br> >> <br> >> time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm<br> >> virtually<br> >> certain that<br> >> those particular hull(s) were built of<br> >> <br> >> A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and<br> most<br> >> of<br> >> the<br> >> <br> >> boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the<br> ones<br> >> without<br> >> cyrillic<br> >> operating manuals).<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> I don't remember how thick the steel<br> >> <br> >> was, but it was definitely made from<br> > standard stuff.<br> >> Plus,<br> >> the main viewport<br> >> was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving<br> >> that<br> >> thing was seriously<br> awesome. She had<br> > plenty<br> >> of room<br> >> for<br> >> two<br> >> (or enough for three good<br> friends) and<br> > that<br> >> huge<br> >> picture<br> >> window in<br> >> the front.<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> If Hyco had survived (Leo<br> was their<br> >> last<br> >> P-style boat) I'm betting<br> there<br> >> would be more of<br> >> them<br> >> <br> >> out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's<br> >> stranglehold on the shallow<br> water market<br> >> (shallow by<br> >> comparison) and I think it<br> >> was a really good try.<br> >> Sadly,<br> >> it<br> >> all fell apart before<br> >> we could really show her<br> >> off.<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> We did all the deepwater pilot<br> > training<br> >> <br> >> in her down on the Flower Gardens,<br> and<br> > had a ball.<br> >> These<br> >> days, she'd be<br> >> even better, because the<br> >> subsystems and<br> >> propulsion gear is so much<br> better. That<br> > sub<br> >> was rated<br> >> for<br> >> 2000<br> >> feet, which ain't bad. How about that<br> >> <br> >> for an option,<br> >> Scott?<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> No fancy steel. Huge<br> >> viewport. 600<br> >> meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2<br> >> <br> >> foot<br> >> sphere displaces less than<br> 6-tons.<br> >> Add a pair of<br> >> uncle<br> >> <br> >> Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam<br> >> to<br> >> support them. Fair the<br> >> thing like a fat tadpole. You<br> >> could<br> >> probably hold it down to 7,<br> maybe 7 1/2<br> >> tons.<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Leo weighs 10. Most of the<br> P-boats<br> >> weigh<br> >> that, and a good bit more.<br> Yours<br> >> would be a<br> >> lightweight<br> >> <br> >> compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build,<br> more<br> >> agile,<br> >> easier to<br> >> maintain..... The list goes on. What could<br> >> <br> >> be<br> >> better? Damn, I want one!!!<br> It would<br> >> be perfect for<br> >> my<br> >> <br> >> neck<br> >> of the woods.<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Vance<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> -----Original Message-----<br> >> <br> >> From: <a href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" target="_blank">swaters@waters-ks.com</a><br> >> via Personal_Submersibles<br> >> <br> >> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> >> <br> >> To: Personal<br> >> Submersibles General Discussion<br> >> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> >> <br> >> Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015<br> >> 7:49 am<br> >> <br> >> Subject:<br> >> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Thanks for the info<br> >> Phil. I keep running into the<br> >> same<br> >> problems of the material<br> and building of<br> >> the<br> >> personel<br> >> sphere.<br> >> <br> >> Scott Waters<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Sent from my U.S.<br> >> Cellular®<br> >> Smartphone<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> -------- Original message --------<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> From: Phil Nuytten via<br> >> Personal_Submersibles <br> >> <br> >> Date:01/05/2015 8:44<br> PM <br> > (GMT-06:00) <br> >> <br> >> To: Personal<br> >> Submersibles General Discussion <br> >> <br> >> Subject: Re:<br> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Hi, Guys, and Happy<br> >> New Year to all loyal<br> >> subbers!!<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Glad to shed some little<br> light on the<br> >> Pisces<br> >> subs <br> >> . .We<br> >> (Nuytco) have <br> >> four Hyco boats –<br> >> 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5<br> >> are<br> >> in<br> >> Hawaii at HURL<br> >> (Hawaii <br> >> Underwater Research Lab)<br> –<br> >> they are out of<br> >> service,<br> >> <br> >> currently and may be sold <br> >> off if no<br> >> funding is forthcoming. I hope not,<br> >> <br> >> because<br> >> Terry<br> >> Kerby<br> >> and his crew <br> >> rebuilt them into the<br> >> cream of the Pisces crop! There<br> >> are<br> >> two Pisces boats in <br> >> <br> >> Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or,<br> >> actually<br> >> ,<br> >> <br> >> outside a museum). <br> >> Pisces –1, is<br> >> in the UK, last seen, it was in<br> >> parts.<br> >> Likewise, P-6 <br> >> is in<br> >> parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking<br> >> of<br> >> IUC’s vessel<br> >> ‘Aloha’) <br> >> and what’s left is in<br> >> New York as Vance mentions. I<br> >> cut<br> >> a<br> >> deal with my old <br> >> friend Andre Galerne<br> (before his<br> >> untimely<br> >> death) to<br> >> have<br> >> first dibs on <br> >> buying P-6 to go into the<br> >> ‘working sub’<br> >> Hyco/Pisces<br> >> display section at our <br> >> <br> >> long-awaited ‘Deep Discovery Centre’ diving<br> >> technology<br> >> museum. His<br> >> sons, Lionel <br> >> and Eric were kind enough<br> >> to honour Andre’s<br> >> wishes <br> >> and we will arrange <br> >> <br> >> shipment to the west coast when the weather gets<br> >> better.<br> >> Would appreciate<br> >> it if <br> >> you would steer clear of<br> this one<br> >> – we do plan to<br> >> rebuild<br> >> to the same condition <br> >> <br> >> as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for .<br> .<br> >> ‘Leo’ – I heard some<br> years <br> >> ago that it was for sale<br> (cheap) but have<br> >> no idea<br> >> what<br> >> ultimately<br> >> happened to <br> >> it. Maybe ask at<br> >> Silvercrest? About all you will be<br> >> able<br> >> to<br> >> use from the P-boats<br> >> <br> >> now is the personnel sphere<br> – you’d<br> >> probably be<br> >> better<br> >> off<br> >> building one from <br> >> scratch if you want a<br> >> thousand feet or less – after<br> >> the<br> >> first thou, the spheres <br> >> <br> >> get much more expensive.<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Reagards<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Phil<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> From: mailto:<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Sent: Monday,<br> >> January 05, 2015 4:43 PM<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> To: Personal<br> >> Submersibles General <br> >> <br> >> Discussion <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Subject: Re:<br> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what<br> > turns up.<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Thanks,<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Scott Waters<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Sent from my<br> >> U.S.<br> >> Cellular® <br> >> <br> >> Smartphone<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> -------- Original message<br> >> --------<br> >> <br> >> From: via<br> >> <br> >> Personal_Submersibles <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Date:01/05/2015 6:34 <br> >> PM (GMT-06:00) <br> >> <br> >> To: <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Subject: Re: <br> >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> International Underwater <br> >> Contractors. When Andre<br> Galern was alive,<br> >> it was one<br> >> of<br> >> THE<br> >> deep diving <br> >> <br> >> construction companies in the world. No idea<br> >> what's<br> >> happened up<br> >> there in the <br> >> last few years. Best to<br> >> ask Dr. Phil that one, too.<br> >> He<br> >> knew/knows all those <br> >> <br> >> guys. <br> >> <br> >> Vance<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> -----Original<br> >> <br> >> Message-----<br> >> <br> >> From: <a href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" target="_blank">swaters@waters-ks.com</a><br> >> via Personal_Submersibles <br> >> <br> >> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> >> <br> >> To: Personal<br> >> Submersibles General <br> >> Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> >> <br> >> Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015<br> >> <br> >> 6:37 pm<br> >> <br> >> Subject: Re:<br> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Vance,<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should<br> >> probably know this. Haha. <br> >> <br> >> I figure it's worth at least trying.<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Thanks,<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Scott Waters<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Sent from my U.S.<br> >> <br> >> Cellular® <br> >> Smartphone<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> -------- Original message --------<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> From: via <br> >> <br> >> Personal_Submersibles <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> To: <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Subject: Re:<br> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Anything is possible,<br> Scott. <br> >> SIlvercrest will skin you<br> alive, given<br> > half<br> >> an<br> >> opportunity.<br> >> Or at<br> >> least they'll <br> >> try. You have to be<br> >> willing to wrangle with them. I<br> >> <br> >> don't think they'll respect <br> >> <br> >> anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one<br> >> laying<br> >> around. I've<br> >> never asked. <br> >> You could do a lot worse,<br> >> if the hulls are<br> >> salvageable.<br> >> There are four pressure <br> >> <br> >> vessels (except on Leo). The<br> personnel<br> > sphere, an<br> >> aft<br> >> floatation sphere, and<br> >> the <br> >> two 32" forward VBTs<br> >> (that's what is under<br> >> the<br> >> fiberglas brow that makes<br> the P <br> >> boats so distinctive. And<br> the boats weigh<br> >> from ten<br> >> to<br> >> twelve<br> >> tons, depending. <br> >> Just<br> >> in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds<br> >> for<br> >> load capability. The<br> >> <br> >> P-VI was the most perfect<br> hull Hyco<br> >> ever did--it was<br> >> fabricated in Jacques<br> >> <br> >> Piccard's shop in<br> Switzerland under<br> >> contract, and<br> >> was<br> >> lap<br> >> finished, as I <br> >> understand it--both<br> >> inside and out. Lovely thing,<br> >> P-VI. I<br> >> remember her well. <br> >> <br> >> Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it<br> >> out into<br> >> a dumpster. That<br> >> might <br> >> be another question for our<br> Dr.<br> >> Phil, as I have zero<br> >> contacts up that<br> >> way <br> >> anymore. Keep me in mind.<br> I'll<br> >> happily spin a<br> >> wrench for<br> >> <br> >> you anytime on one of <br> >> those. <br> >> <br> >> Vance<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> -----Original <br> >> Message-----<br> >> <br> >> From: <a href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" target="_blank">swaters@waters-ks.com</a><br> >> via <br> >> <br> >> Personal_Submersibles<br> >> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> >> <br> >> To: <br> >> <br> >> Personal Submersibles General<br> > Discussion<br> >> <br> >> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> >> <br> >> Sent: <br> >> Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Subject: Re:<br> [PSUBS-MAILIST]<br> >> Pisces<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Excellent info<br> >> Vance! Thank you so much. I was<br> >> hopeing<br> >> to locate one and <br> >> <br> >> maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one<br> rather<br> >> than<br> >> try to build a 1000m<br> >> <br> >> boat from scratch. Any more<br> pointers<br> >> would be<br> >> awesome.<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Thanks,<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Scott Waters<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Sent from my<br> >> U.S.<br> >> Cellular® <br> >> <br> >> Smartphone<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> -------- Original message<br> >> --------<br> >> <br> >> From: via<br> >> <br> >> Personal_Submersibles <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM<br> (GMT-06:00)<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> To: <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Subject: Re:<br> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> P-I Scrapped out by <br> >> <br> >> Vickers <br> >> <br> >> P-II<br> >> Rumored <br> >> to be in a Miami storage<br> unit<br> >> (unconfirmed)<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> P-III ?<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> P-IV In Hawaii and<br> >> in service (but stony<br> broke, I hear)<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> P-V <br> >> Ditto<br> >> <br> >> P-VI <br> >> IUC warehouse in<br> >> New York, maybe parted<br> >> out<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> P-VII In a Russian<br> >> museum (Sevastopol, I<br> >> think)<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> P-VIII<br> >> Nuytco<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> P-IX <br> >> Design<br> >> study<br> >> for Intersub (4K <br> >> meters, never<br> >> built)<br> >> <br> >> P-X<br> >> Nuytco<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> P-X11 Same as VII (flanking<br> the front<br> >> doors, last I <br> >> saw)<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Plus Leo, which<br> >> was a big-window Pisces<br> >> style rated to<br> >> 2000' <br> >> which, along with P-VI and<br> >> Aquarius, are the only<br> >> Hyco<br> >> boats<br> >> that I qualified<br> >> on <br> >> and operated (although the<br> P-VI<br> >> experience was not a<br> >> good<br> >> <br> >> one for me or the <br> >> owners, either<br> >> one). I did participate in a Pisces V<br> >> <br> >> overhaul in Houston, but <br> >> I'm not<br> >> sure that counts except for the busted<br> >> <br> >> knuckles.<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> I think the boys at Silvercrest might<br> >> <br> >> have one of the question <br> >> marks, but<br> >> I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that<br> >> <br> >> leaves<br> >> one unaccounted for. I'm <br> >> betting Mr. Dr. Prof.<br> Nuytten would know.<br> >> As a side<br> >> note,<br> >> if<br> >> you look at the <br> >> Mirs,<br> >> you will see where they sprang from. They are<br> >> Pisces<br> >> boats on steroids.<br> >> <br> >> Those people worked at IUC<br> for a couple<br> >> of years and<br> >> operated P-VII and P-XII<br> >> <br> >> for years after that, then<br> took all<br> >> those dandy<br> >> ideas,<br> >> <br> >> added<br> >> a pile of rubles, <br> >> and built a couple of big<br> brawny kissing<br> >> cousins. Mir<br> >> 1<br> >> &<br> >> Mir 2, by name. <br> >> The Pisces subs were<br> >> pretty good for the day, but<br> >> maintenance<br> >> heavy. And rest <br> >> assured, you<br> >> haven't really lived until you have<br> >> <br> >> pulled<br> >> a Pisces battery box at <br> >> sea to change one cell.<br> What a job!!!<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Vance<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> -----Original <br> >> <br> >> Message-----<br> >> <br> >> From:<br> >> Alan James via Personal_Submersibles<br> >> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> >> <br> >> To: <br> >> <br> >> Personal Submersibles General<br> > Discussion<br> >> <br> >> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> >> <br> >> Sent: <br> >> Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Subject: Re:<br> [PSUBS-MAILIST]<br> >> Pisces<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Scott,<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Hawaii<br> >> undersea research lab on<br> Oahu has<br> >> two <br> >> subs.<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> One I know<br> >> is a Pisces & I believe<br> the <br> >> other is also.<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> I think<br> >> David Columbo has seen them<br> in the <br> >> last year,<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> he might<br> >> confirm.<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> They told me they were<br> >> losing <br> >> funding for operating them<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> as Govt considered rovs were <br> >> better<br> >> value for money.<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Alan<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> From: "<a href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" target="_blank">swaters@waters-ks.com</a><br> >> via <br> >> <br> >> Personal_Submersibles"<br> >> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> >> <br> >> To: psubs<br> >> <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Sent: Tuesday,<br> >> <br> >> January 6, 2015 <br> >> 7:27 AM<br> >> <br> >> Subject: <br> >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Does<br> >> anyone know what happened<br> to all <br> >> the Pisces submarines? I<br> believe there<br> > was<br> >> 10 built,<br> >> but<br> >> only one<br> >> or two that <br> >> are still in operation. I<br> >> think NOAA has one.<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Thanks,<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Scott<br> >> Waters<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> Sent from my<br> >> U.S.<br> >> Cellular® <br> >> <br> >> Smartphone<br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> _______________________________________________<br> >> <br> >> Personal_Submersibles<br> >> <br> >> mailing list<br> >> <br> >> <a href="mailto:Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org</a><br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <a href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles" target="_blank">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles</a><br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> >> <br> 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