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size=2>B.D.Sacharaow, <BR>A.W.Sytin,
<BR>A.P.Jurnew<BR><BR>"Havarien unter Wasser </font> " (The german
copy)
<BR><BR>Brandenburgisches Verlagshaus 1991, Brerlin,
Germany<BR>ISBN 3-327-01220-2<BR><BR> the orginal in in russian
languages
1986<BR><BR>dont know if a english copy exist.<BR>May search for the 3
autors.
<BR><BR>Contains havaries of 1964 - 1980<BR>Nekton Beta, Johnson
Sea link,
Yuzuki, Moana, Trieste II, <BR>Asherah, Denise, Aluminaut, Alvin, Star
III, Deep
Diver, Deep Star 4000, <BR>Shelf Diver, Deep Quest, Sea Cliff, Ben
Franklin,
Guppy. <BR>Cyana, Yomuri, Pisces III, TS1(PC-9), PC 1602<BR><BR>vbr
Carsten<BR>
<BR>"Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles"
<personal_submersibles@psubs.org> schrieb:
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<p dir="ltr">Carsten, what is the title of that book?</p>
<p dir="ltr">Sean<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On December 31, 2014 3:26:00 AM PST,
""Carsten Standfuß" via Personal_Submersibles"
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<font face="Courier New" size="2">Brian, <br ><br
>we have each two cardridge
in the exchange filters for the mask.<br ></font>One is unse in case of
fire
against smoke or in case of battery clorine or other gases.<br
>And the
other
cardridge we customize to absorb CO2 in case main LSS filter didnt work
anymore.<br >They are military surplus from Finland and came brandnew
for
just
some bucks. <br
><br >During building I have a fire in a bed madraze
becuase of
weölding close by. <br >The smoke fill the compartmnet in seconds with
no
view
anymore and nearly unbreathable atmosphere. <br ><br
>But we have also a
scuba
automat lifeline system on 6 station on board in case of fire or out of
oxygen
situation. <br
>And mobile fire extingusher and a high fog mist fire
fighting
system in each compartment. <br ><br
>Also Steinke Hoods, diver suits,
diver scuba
equipment, 1 liferaft, 1 inflate rubber boat,<br >3x 1ts drop weights,
Emergency
oxygen bottles for weeks, emergency CO2 filters (we double it - 4 in
total)
<br >Last but not least a first aid set from a car. And most inportant
a
complet
workshop in the engine room. <br >The diver exist room can be use
as
rescue
chamber wit a mirror of all systems for air, oxygen, filters on its
own.
<br ><br >On the future plan are a complete set from a Ambulance
car
including defilibrator, oxygen inhalator, medicine etc. <br >We get
older
and on
real offshore operation we are maybe far awawy from other ships and
pepole and
have to fix our problems ourself.. <br ><br
>I have a book abouit
emergency
situations on civil submarine from russia. <br >There major accident
clear to
identfy: <br >- Fire on board, <br
>- boat catch on the bottom <br
>-
diving
with open hatch or launching accident. <br ><br
>Deep charges or
torpedos seems not an issue for privat submarines - so we not have
equipment to
prevent that.. <br
><font size="2">(I write this line so I can be sure that
this
email will be stored in a mountain in Montana for ever..)</font>
<br ><br ><font size="2">There are many old submariners and there are
many brave
submariners.
<br >But there are not so much old and brave submariners.. <br >(Okay I
steal this
from the pilots..)</font> <br ><br >vbr Carsten
<br >
<br >"Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles"
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial,
sans-serif"><div>Carsten, What to you use the gas masks
for?</div><div> </div><div>Brian<br ><br
>---
personal_submersibles@psubs.org wrote:<br
><br >From: "Carsten Standfuß"
via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br
>To:
"Personal Submersibles General Discussion"
<personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br >Subject: Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST]
model testing<br >Date: 30 Dec 2014 19:08 GMT<br ><br ><font
face="Courier
New"
size="2">If the
scale factor is 1:1 it shall
work.. :-0<br ></font><br
> vbr Carsten<br ><br
>"hank pronk via
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href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>
schrieb:<br >> <br >> I am not looking for drag comparisons, I am
looking for failure due to pressure comparisons. I though I read that
the Nekton subs were built as a model first to establish crush
depth.<br >> Hank
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On Mon, 12/29/14, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <<A
href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>
wrote:<br >> <br >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] model
testing<br >> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <<A
href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br
>>
Received: Monday, December 29, 2014, 3:06 PM<br
>> <br >>
Drag<br
>> results between a model and full scale does not
scale<br >> geometrically. You have to scale model and full
scale off<br >> the dimensionless Reynolds number.
Reynolds number<br
>> scaling enables you to scale results between
model and full<br >> scale using either a water tunnel or
air<br >>
tunnel.<br
>> Cliff<br >> <br
>> <br >> <br
>>
From: Alan James via<br
>> Personal_Submersibles<br
>> <<A
href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br
>>
<br >> To: Personal<br
>> Submersibles General
Discussion<br
>>
<<A
href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>
<br >> <br >> Sent: Monday,<br >> December 29, 2014 1:55
PM<br
>> Subject: Re:<br >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] model
testing<br >>
<br
>> <br >> Hank,I just ran<br
>> a test on my pressure
program & you get the same crush<br >> depthon a<br
>> sphere
of A516-70 steel that is 1000mm diameter & 10mm<br >> thick as
youdo on a<br
>> sphere 100mm diameter & 1mm thick.What I
am<br >> not sure of is if you can scale up the drag results on
a<br >> model.If you<br
>> have a scale model that is 1/50th
&
it takes X amount of<br >> force to push<br
>> it at
3<br >> knots, can you multiply X by 50 to get the required<br >>
thrust?Alan<br >> <br >> <br
>> <br >> From: Brian
Cox via<br >> Personal_Submersibles<br
>> <<A
href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br
>>
<br >> To: Personal<br
>> Submersibles General
Discussion<br
>>
<<A
href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>
<br >> <br >> Sent: Tuesday,<br >> December 30, 2014 8:43
AM<br
>> Subject: Re:<br >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] model
testing<br >>
<br
>> <br >> Hank,<br
>> I would
say<br
>> no. It would have to be so exact that it would
be<br >> virtually impossible to extrapolate from the small
model,<br >> and<br
>> aside from that I think there are other
engineering<br >> principles involved that would come into play ,
Sean would<br >> be the person to ask ! I know that it is
done
in wave<br >> tanks and wind tunnels, but in those you are looking
at<br
>> laminar flow and such things, not structural strength
so<br >> much. You might be able to get a rough idea of how
it<br >> would start to collapse maybe. The larger the model
the<br
>> better I would think.<br
>> <br >> Brian<br
>>
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>> From: hank pronk via<br
>>
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To: <A
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>>
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] model testing<br
>> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014
10:52:46 -<a>0800</a><br >> <br
>> Hi
all<br >> If you<br
>> make a scale model of a submarine in
complete detail. <br >> Scale the size and metal thickness, is
it a reasonable<br >> representation of depth capabilities when
pressure<br >> tested?<br >> Hank<br >>
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